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TOPIC: Trialling New Laws

hypen Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #57

hypen
Spare a thought for Roosy, his whole world is crashing down around him.
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The_Yeti Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #58

The_Yeti
Spare a thought for Roly, Roosy's whole world is crashing down around him
Egurls Suck!
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The_Yeti Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #59

The_Yeti
Shane, I don't agree with you.

I think coaches will change if they can. The defensive game plan employed by Roos, Roly etc is being picked apart by other coaches. Even blokes like Simpson are able to do that.

When was the last time we beat the slime? We haven't since the AFL amended the rules to get away from the defensive mindset.

If you can't or won't adapt, then you sow the seeds of your own failure
Egurls Suck!
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guy smiley Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #60

guy smiley
Shane's on the money, coaches are like everyone else and get stuck in their 'group think' thingo. There's a mode that applies and the majority follow it. They make minor changes within the framework which aids an impression of change but an actual philosophical shift is beyond them. Slowly, everyone got sucked into the whirlpool of congestion and most of the current coaching crop don't know how not to play that way.

I think Simpson is breaking out of that style. They play a more direct to a target style of footy from the little I've seen of their games. They have more players across the ground when the ball moves forward so it follows that they have less players around the ball.

Once other clubs realise it's working and it's too late to stop the Chooks winning another flag we might see a shift across the league but you won't see that until contracts are up.

TL, DR? Freo are stuck with RoLyball and it won't change.
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Raglan Matt Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #61

Raglan Matt
PK, Lyon has already proven a team of 200 meter athletes won't beat a team of footy players. Any coach who goes down that road will be sacked quick sma…………. Well, most coaches who go down that road will be sacked quick smart. There is an exception to every rule. What a ba$ta&d that we got lumbered with footy's exception.
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Morgan Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #62

Morgan
Out of curiosity, who in Freo’s 2013 Grand Final team wasn’t a football player? Hendrix maybe. The rest look like footy players to me. Who in this week’s team isn’t a footballer?

Freo got beaten by a team of better football players.
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cletus Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #63

cletus
Morgs....presumably, a footballer would be able to kick, mark and handball.....so....I reckon theres a fellow from 2013 that you missed.....

Played down back....surprised you missed him...
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Docker by the Sea Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #64

Docker by the Sea
I wouldn’t question Tucker, Sheridan, McCarthy and maybe even Hughes as what I would call genuine footballers.
Sheridan and Tucker I think mainly get considered because of the km’s they can cover at pace. Taberner needed considerable time being developed into a footballer but was perservered with because of his ability to run.
I’m not being critical of these players or the clubs use of them it is the nature of the game.
Personally I find it disappointing players such as DeBoer and Barlow get discarded because they aren’t quick enough. I feel in limiting interchange severely these players would become more valuable as they would get to the right places all day long.
One thing I ponder regularly is with 18 teams In the comp part of the issue is not enough talent to spread around. One way to ensure more talent on the fields at any one time is limit their ability to sit on the bench. I would like to see Fyfe resting forward the reintroduction of a ruckman in the forward pocket.
Maybe this won’t work but sounds less radical with less chance of completely changing the game than what is being proposed
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hypen Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #65

hypen
In fairness to Morgan's point, Dawson wasn't an athlete either.
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Gerovich Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #66

Gerovich
Back when I was a boy full forwards could kick a bag of goals. A good fullback was someone who could stop that. The Fist would have been a good fullback when I was a boy. Today’s game requires more and the Fist was never that.
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cletus Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #67

cletus
But back in your day Gero, the FullBack would be doing all the kicking out as well.

So, Im not sure T. Fist would have been a 'good full back' in your day....because 1m handballs to blokes under pressure were definitely not around then!

He'd have made a "good goalpost" and thats about it...

Ah, geez...I miss ' The Fist '....! To his eternal credit, he played 166 AFL games -which is precisely 166 more than me & most of us - and he played his role.
- whatever that was...

Well done T. Fist!
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hypen Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #68

hypen
If the football stays like this then there is no need to change a thing. It's great to watch at present.
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shane Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #69

shane
That's not really how bloated bureaucracy works though.
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shane Trialling New Laws 5 years 8 months ago #70

shane
I thought Denis Cometti was going to make a good point in the paper this morning, which is a mistake I sometimes make.

The key rule change that everything has flowed from was the prior opportunity rule. When the player with the ball wasn't at risk of losing the ball if they were tackled, they were able to take on their opponents and keep the game moving. Wingmen were beloved for their ability to transition the ball from defence to attack.

Once the risk of getting caught went up the blind turns and the dummy selling dried up and now players have to get rid of the ball very quickly, often under pressure because the slightest touch could result in losing the ball. Which means two things. Players need much closer support from their team mates to get the ball around the opposition and the opposition are hard to get around if they have the numbers because no one will try and break a tackle.

I understand why they did it. Teams were exploiting it and using it to get a ball up and slow the game down. But that doesn't mean the prior opportunity rule was the best solution.

If they go back to that point and try and work on a better way of dealing with that problem, that solves the problem while still encouraging players to attack and take on their man, I think it would be a better result than swallowing larger and larger animals to solve the fly problem.
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