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Morgan Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #57

Morgan
Just so we’re clear, the Tribunal treats Freo more harshly than other clubs, was looking to make an example of a Freo player, Gray was a big-name player who generated publicity, the media had determined the outcome before the hearing, the medical report was probably bogus, the Tribunal didn’t consider whether Gray should have braced for impact, and Nyhuis’s club conducted the defence in the worst way possible.

And the outcome of all that was a three game suspension instead of, what, a two game suspension?

If there’s a better argument for the classification system than that, I’m yet to hear it.
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shane Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #58

shane
You're going to need a winky face or something if you want to avoid getting into Poe's law territory.
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The_Yeti Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #59

The_Yeti
The point being Morgan, was the club conducting it in the worst way possible as you even said yourself. That was always the criticism and you seem to be both saying the same thing, then criticising it.

There were grounds for the club to argue down the penalty.

The club generally doesn'y even try and when it does, it does it in the most pathetic way possible.

Take a leaf from the egurls book. Natanui's tackle where he forced his opponent head first into the ground then piled on top. The slime backed their player and got an arguably worse tackle down to a week.

We had grounds and we could have shown plenty of precedent. The fact that the AFL refuses to be bound by precedent is a Federal Court challenge just waiting to happen. Why do the tribunal go softer on clubs that make court challenge noises? Because they're not afraid of the outcome? Hardly.

It was another poor effort in a long line of poor efforts
Egurls Suck!
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Morgan Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #60

Morgan
I hate it when Shane is right. Bloody internet.

Obviously I'm against winky faces, so let me amend my previous comment to commence with "Just so we’re clear, what you are saying is that the

Or, put another way, I think the classification/grading system is not as bad as every other system. The suggestion in the case is that everything that could possibly be tilted against a player has happened to Nyhius, and the outcome is the difference of roughly a week. Compare that to the chook lotto that used to happen before the grading system. If all of those factors were stacked against a player they'd get 12 weeks.

I don't love having a one man MRP, but even that chump couldn't mess this one up.

For the avoidance of doubt, I think Nyhius and Freo played it the best way they could, and got a reasonably fair outcome. I also don't think the deck is stacked against Freo.

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The_Yeti Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #61

The_Yeti
Applying a classification WITHOUT examining all of the components and previous applications of that system lead to exactly the same result as occurred prior to the grading system...an arbitrary result.

There doesn't have to any conspiracy in play.

As for your comment that a one man MRP can't mess it up, can you explain then why the MRO not MRP is so inconsistent?

Its a trick question because nobody can explain why he is so inconsistent.

You only need to witness his performance week , week out see he is inconsistent. A clear example is a couple of weeks ago with Tex Walker. Shuey gives several soft wacks to Walker's back and Walker responds with an equally soft tap in response. The MRO ignores Shuey and cites Walker for a week. Fortunately the Tribunal acted correctly and threw it out but the point remains, while the gradings are applied in an arbitrary fashion, the system doesn't work and is open to challenge.

How you can claim its working defies explanation
Egurls Suck!
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Flag_2005 Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #62

Flag_2005
I don’t recall the Eagles threatening to go to the Federal Court if NicNat got more than a week.

The NicNat and Nyhuis tackles are not comparable under the current system. The grading has an input which derives from the impact to the tackled player. The impact on Gray was much worse than the bloke NicNat tackled.
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Mike Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #63

Mike
The unfortunate and unintended consequences of the tackle aside, I thought Ryan Nyhuis put in a pretty handy performance on the weekend - certainly he did a terrific job on Gray in the first half.

So, I don't reckon it's worth comparing him to Nic Naitanui, both because the way that mob carries on should only ever be looked as a template for what not to do, and also because in due course Ryan Nyhuis is going to be playing footy again.
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hypen Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #64

hypen
So Morgan you're clearly not the man to explain to me if the President sees a reason as to whether Russia would or wouldn't interfere in the US election?
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Morgan, Corporal Agarn said You Beaut

Raglan Matt Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #65

Raglan Matt
If that is the case, both Port and the AFL would be negligent in allowing Gray to play this week or next week. Let us see what transpires. Port themselves in a press release said Gray was OK on Sunday night and had taken no harm from the incident.
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The_Yeti Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #66

The_Yeti
Flag,

the eagles have made noises of court challenges in the past. They tend not to get the rough end of the pineapple. Nicnat's tackle was arguably worse that Nyhuis yet was graded lighter and argued down further.

Their approach to these things is better than ours, which was the point being made.
Egurls Suck!
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The_Yeti Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #67

The_Yeti
hypen,

I think you can assume that when all of the intelligence agencies say Russia interfered with the US election, morgan will jump and argue the opposite
Egurls Suck!
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Docker by the Sea Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #68

Docker by the Sea
I reckon the MRO replacing the MRP has been a backward step and also the removal of reckless as a category. I am also confused around the ruling with bumps this season, after the previous couple of seasons I understood and agreed with rulings, if a player chose to bump when other options were available then they were responsible for the outcome. This seems to have gone out the window.
The media wasn’t happy with a straight grading based upon this matrix and therefore it got changed.
A simpler solution would have been to allow clubs or players to appeal the grading of these criteria without the risk of longer suspensions.
Christians penalties and explanations have left me scratching my head. I take exception to the media coverage, as well as the standing of the player seeming to dictate the results.
Selwood was effectively allowed to strike Thomas with both hands to the face with no penalty. Buddy able to throw his elbows with no regard for other player and explained away. Fyfe suspended one year and Vineys more aggressive front on bump turned over. The following year when Fyfe should of been suspended possibly a couple of times, system manipulated to get him off because he was once again a red hot favourite for the Brownlow. Media outcry over Cameron for five weeks and the following week Vlaustin gets one week for deliberate elbow to the head in a stop play.
Justice should be meted out equally for all players regardless of their name or the impact it may have on a clubs chances.
In this case, I thought two weeks, but three not unrealistic. I love the aggression and physical nature we played with last week and if it costs us a couple of suspensions so be it.
As with umpiring all I want to see is consistency. With match review surely they have the time to achieve this.
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Jezza Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #69

Jezza
A few high profile AFL identities have said, perhaps a red card should be introduced into our game for instances like the Nyhuis tackle. Consider that had Nyhuis been red carded, would the sanctioned been any different. I think Port losing Gray, played a role in our win. If Nyhuis was sent off, I suspect a different result. So in light of the sanctions, and the matrix used to hand out the suspension, Nyhuis and Freo were the winners. How ever way you look at it, there’s no place for that sort of tackle in any sport. It’s dangerous.
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Morgan Nyhuis 5 years 9 months ago #70

Morgan
Gee, I'm really struggling with tone today.

Yeti, I agree the change to the MRO is a mistake, I've said so on a few occasions before. What I'm saying is in this instance it is about as clear-cut as it gets. It was a dangerous tackle, and the bloke he tackled got knocked out cold. I don't think the intent was to hurt Gray, and the first part of the tackle was great - so great he got the outcome of dispossessing Gray and receiving a free kick came to fruition. The problem was that when the 'driving' part of the tackle started the ball was out of Gray's hands and they were out of bounds. That part of the tackle was careless, and led to Gray suffering a hit to the head so severe it knocked him out for the better part of a minute.

Perhaps Gray could have braced for impact a little more, but it's a bit like saying the bloke on the receiving end of an elbow could have ducked. Generally human beings try to avoid being knocked out cold, so I think the fact Gray didn't get his hands down suggests more about his vulnerability than any failure on his part. I'm glad this is no more serious than a tribunal hearing over a tackle, because victim blaming is a pretty bad look these days.

If you put aside the great list of imagined injustices past - which I assume RM has in a scrapbook of some kind - and just look at the tackle, the impact and the suspension, I can't see how this event is RM scrapbook worthy.
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