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TOPIC: AFL injuries

hypen AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #1

hypen
I counted 184 players featuring on the latest AFL injury list. Some might be subject to a fitness test. Not many though.

184.

Blokes ripping hamstrings off the bone (think Treloar), Brayshaw does a groin; not a great injury for a kid, the coach shrugs and says he's not surprised given his workload.........the game is heading down a very dark road. It's not just us.

I hope it can change. This is not sustainable.
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larkin AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #2

larkin
yeah its a worry
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Raglan Matt AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #3

Raglan Matt
I've said it before, Hypen, players are overworked. If it was any other workplace, Worksafe would be all over it. The clubs need to find a balance, and give players recovery time, not "managed recovery". I sometimes wonder if they work them into the ground to try and make them too tired to get into off-field trouble, as it seems to be injured players or players on a long break that hit the headlines these days. Whatever it is something needs to change or the game will destroy itself. This change needs to be coach or at a last resort AFLPA driven. The AFL and club administrations of the present time have shown they have no regard for player welfare so will do nothing.
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rogerrocks AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #4

rogerrocks
I've started playing over 60's hockey this year. There isn't a player in the team who isn't "managing" an injury. Don't know what these young fellas are complaining about!
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Morgan AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #5

Morgan
I reckon the club has missed the mark with the competition based on attending every game before the end of the season. I better bet would be 'bring your footy shorts, because there's a chance you'll get a game.'

I reckon I'd keep Raglan Matt pretty happy. The chances of me leaving the forward 50 too often are slim to none.
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hypen AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #6

hypen
That depends on who's forward 50 you are talking bout Morgan.
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hypen AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #7

hypen
Let me ask this question to those of you with relevant skills and experience and others who think they have those attributes (everyone around here essentially).

Clubs on some level know that the way football is being played is not sustainable for younger players - look at our kids and Carlton's kids going down trying to keep up with mature teams like Richmond. We and others cant play that way at present.

What is an AFL club's obligation to provide a work place that is safe? I understand the inherent risks of the industry but that is not absolution of a duty of care that a club has to its players; particularly 18 year olds first year in.

These kids at clubs are being thrashed and I don't think "well that's footy" would necessarily cut it in a court of law defending a duty of care breach. Brayshaw's work load has been insane.
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Morgan AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #8

Morgan
I claim no expertise on this matter whatsoever, but I also consider there is a welfare consideration beyond the physical thrashing. I think in some cases asking kids just finishing high school to move to some far-flung city to pursue their footy career is asking a lot, including in some cases of their families. I also think taking these kids from high school and putting them in a completely artificial environment of a footy club is not harmless. I’d be tempted to raise the draft age a year to give kids a chance for a year to do something other than just play footy, get a taste of ‘normal’ life, let them grow up physically and mentally, then enter the draft with a bit of experience under their belt.

But some kids really do thrive in their first year, and depriving them of an opportunity to play the sport at the highest level should not be taken lightly. Some would say it’s paternalistic to do so, and they might not be wrong.

I don’t think we’re the only sport considering this. The NBA raised the draft age to 19 a while ago, meaning kids needed to play at least one year in college, in a development league or overseas before entering the NBA. There were definitely some benefits to this approach, but I think the league is considering lowering the age back to 18.
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Sox AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #9

Sox
184 means that around a quarter or all pro footballers are injured right now. That’s horrific. I wonder what the answer is. I’m generally against messing with the rules. Expand the playing lists? 60-80 a team? Shorter season - 17 games, each opponent once? Or shortnening games? Restricting training hours (but not “recovery”)?
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shane AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #10

shane
But then they'd have to fund the WAFL instead of spending money flying 60 kids from Perth to Melbourne so David Parkin could give them a talk about hard work, ironically pocketing a large fee and a three course lunch for reading the same speech he wrote in 1983 and gives every year.
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hypen AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #11

hypen
Agreed on the age thing Morgan, but my question is essentially around employers asking employees to do something that they are not physically capable of doing which by design puts their well being at risk. And I do believe without sounding melodramatic in many instances this is what it boils down to.

184. Jeez.
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shane AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #12

shane
Are there more injured players than previous eras or are they just more thorough in their assessment of what constitutes an injury?

It's not that long ago that an injury was assessed based on whether or not you were capable of playing on the weekend.
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The_Yeti AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #13

The_Yeti
hypen,

where is the line between 'safe workplace' and 'reasonable expectations'?

Every kid signing up for the draft knows that sporting injuries are to be expected during his or her career. I'm just not sure you can draw a clear line between 'normal' (for want of a better term) sporting injuries and those caused by unreasonable burdens.

Of course a good organisation would do what is needed to keep their assets fit and firing but theres a game to be won, right?

While I can see the point you are making, I'm not seeing a clear direction for a reasonable response
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rogerrocks AFL injuries 5 years 10 months ago #14

rogerrocks
In the current era, players are very athletic, and very strong. These are attributes that lead to injury. Peter Bell once complained, he didn't know that players as slow as him could do hamstrings.

And the workplace thing, well that is tricky. Yes, of course its a workplace, but its also a game. There are thousands of people, old and young, who for the sheer love of it go out on the weekend and come home with rolled ankles, busted collarbones, black eyes, cuts and bruises etc etc. Most sports are inherently risky, whether you are paid to do them or not. But the degree to which the AFL clubs accept responsibility for injuries their players incur has surely increased in recent years.
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