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TOPIC: rebuild: next phase

DS rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #43

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Yeti, if you have a look at the video of the press conference you would think that Ross didn't need to consult with DP and MJ "in the microseconds" between question and answer as the conversation had already been had. Now is it disrespectful for him to allude to it before the players make their own announcements? Maybe, but in all honesty I doubt anyone who contributes here seriously thought either one of them would continue on next year.

I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #44

The_Yeti
DS, I'll quote one of the Roly apologists right back at you:

But hey, I guess you know about the inner workings of the club, the conversations that have been had, and the desires of the players more than the coach.

Personally I find it difficult to believe that these conversations were all prepared for an off the cuff question from a journo. But Roly retiring people, I can believe as he's done it before.

As for being disrespectful, for me there is no maybe about it. Both have earned the right to announce their own retirements in their own time
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Morgan rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #45

Morgan
There is an assumption there yeti that is what Johnson and Pearce want, and that the right to announce their retirement is something they care about. Implicit in that right is that it’s a player’s decision. Everyone knows that isn’t the case in these instances, so it would seem pretty contrived to confect some suspense about that.

On one reading, it would be unfair. If Pearce and Johnno know it’s their last year, and were disappointed about that, suggesting publicly the players get a say in that, or that the clubs is still considering it is not only a lie, it might actually give them false hope. It might even be seen as the coach being duplicitous – telling the players behind closed doors they’re in their last season, but telling the world it hasn’t been decided yet. How it is perceived by Johnno and Pearce depends on those conversations. Alleging disrespect on their behalf without knowing that they think seems a reach to me.

But, I’ll play along, where do we think notorious media tarts Johnson and Pearce were planning on announcing their retirement before Lyon beat them to it? Do you think they were going to just go on the Footy Show, announce it with Baz on Monday’s news, or their own one-hour special?

Johnno (and perhaps Pearce) will likely get a send-off game near the end of the year if he wants one (some players don’t), he’ll have a press conference before that to talk about his great career if he wants one (some players don’t), and he’ll probably get a lap around the ground to say goodbye to the fans if he wants it (some players don’t).

What he and Danyle haven’t earned is the right to play on next year. Pretending otherwise is a conceit, and I don’t think it’s disrespectful to be open about that.

For the record, I would have loved to have seen the reaction if Lyon has said there was a chance Pearce played on next year.
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #46

The_Yeti
Everyone knows that isn’t the case in these instances, so it would seem pretty contrived to confect some suspense about that.

I'd like to see any kind of justification for that statement other than just another thing you made up.

As for false hope, thats another bit of nonsense.

Roly could have just deflected the question to be dealt with at the end of the year as these things are dealt with.

Try as you might to twist, he's a repeat offender. Yesterday was poor
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Morgan rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #47

Morgan
Ok yeti, so in percentage terms, what chance did you give Johnson and Pearce being on the list next year? If you think any more than 1% I consider you are being disingenuous. If you think the players don't know this I'd be shocked.

Or, put another way, on a scale of 1-10, how happy would you be if Johnno or Pearce were re-signed for next year at the expense of a young bloke?

There have been articles written where Lyon talks about Pearce having to make way for the kids. Johnno's football eulogy was written mid-year when he was dropped.

This is not a new state of affairs. Even the question - will they get a farewell game (and not are Johnno and Pearce going to be around next year) - shows that it doesn't even seem remotely like the option of being signed to a roster spot next year is a possibility.

Because it's not.
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DS rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #48

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Just to be clear, I’m not a Roly apologist. I think his time’s up. But I think others of the same mind might be looking at every little thing he says and does for further reason for him to go. It is getting a little tedious.
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #49

The_Yeti
In percentage terms? Pearce. 0% Johnno maybe 20% max

That isn't the point. The point is the lack of respect shown by 'retiring' these blokes in a press conference and then suggesting they could get a farewell game. In NAIDOC week.

Both have contributed to club for a number of years, especially Johnno. They deserve the chance to retire on their own terms. Thats been taken away from them.

If you don't see a problem with that then my continued explanations won't change that. We'll just have to leave it at you find that behaviour acceptable and I do not
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guy smiley rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #50

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Oh yeah.. the anti Roly line has been overpowering for months and makes for tedious reading. It also makes it hard to find that fine line between criticising, or voicing disappointment, and running down the street burning flags and pushing cars over.

Hysteria. Rampant hysteria.

Personally, I would have preferred something more empathic from the club regarding a player he describes as the best ever indigenous player to play there. So a throwaway line in a presser rings a little hollow, along with an afterthought about maybe a farewell game. It's all just more gobbledegook. RoLy's done this before, announce a player's retirement for them. My reading of it is that is's just a sign of his preference for control over everything.

The problem is though, that most of us want to see more meaningful actions from the club as a whole after taking pride for years, in the actions the club followed over many different events and issues that spoke of something a little deeper than what we've got now. Unfortunately RoLy is the figurehead for that overall disappointment.

Take a step back and think of that whole puffed chest routine from the Steves back in the day. The promises, the strut, the swagger... and look where that got them. It probably won't ever get an airing in the media but they stuffed it royally. Majestically. With all the grandeur of a duck landing on ice.
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #51

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I disagree DS.

Go and read Shane's post. It puts it better than I can.

I don't think there is any need or desire to look for faults with Roly. I would rather he didn't behave the way he does but I'm not looking for bad behaviour to criticise. I don't need to as its there.

The second point is most on here don't bag him for bagging him's sake. From what I see its expressions of continued frustration at his repeated stubbornness to change. The criticism of his comments at the weekly press conference follow on from the club the day before describing Jeff Farmer as the "Whiz".

Having screwed up badly the day before, I would have expected the club to be very careful in its public dealings. I was wrong and the criticisms reflect more on the club than just Roly.

I will add one thing, I would have made the same criticisms of whoever did that in a press conference - Roly, Harvey, Connolly, even myself
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thecheg rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #52

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I was at training yesterday. Johnno addressed the crowd, said what a beautiful winter's day it was and how they liked to have a bit of fun at training to balance all the high-pressure stuff that goes on.
The players looked chirpy and happy, joshing around and patiently signing their names on kids' jumpers after a 90-minute session.
It was all very relaxed and I think Ross got sucked into the carefree mood and may be just lowered his guard for a few seconds. Who knows?
I'm sure he didn't foresee the firestorm on Dockerland over his comments.
Overreaction,folks.
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Grub rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #53

Grub
This has taken a whole new twist.
I am of the opinion that two players with stellar careers (Pearce has played over 250 games for crying out loud and Johnno s one of Freo most loyal servants) probably deserved better. And I have no doubt that will happen later in the year.
I didn’t think they would play on next year, I don’t doubt Ross Lyons respect or compassion for those players, I do doubt the clubs ability to get these things right though.
RoLy has shown an ability to deflect, talk around, waffle and generally not give the media anything over his career and yet he throws that little gem out?
Anyway I hope and I believe these players will get the respectful farewell they both deserve and all supporters get to express their thanks in the usual manner.
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mac rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #54

mac
Shane your post of Matera is our best option up forward and Cam Sutcliffe is in the selection mix....is it time for love?
If that's our best option forward you are all welcome on my farm to have a Woodstock love and peace this weekend.
Flossing is ban during your stay.
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shane rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #55

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What a lot of people don't realise about that song, and it's written on the liner notes, is that it's referring to Jaxon Love, who is a 184cm midfielder from Victoria.
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #56

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You know, of course, Shane, that on reading that, Mr Bond, Chris Bond is going to race out to 78s to buy that album

Expect it on gameday after Purple Rain
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