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TOPIC: rebuild: next phase

rogerrocks rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #29

rogerrocks
Yeti, of course people have been making cracks about Ross and honesty for some time. Saying how he treats questions with contempt. Implying that he's not saying what he's really thinking. But now he is and everyone is upset.
I misread one of his earlier pressers where he praised Johnno. Smarter people than me on this forum then said that he was actually saying Johnno wouldn't play again this season. Had we been in contention for finals they would have been right. So back then when Ross effectively announced Johnno's retirement, he wasn't being crass and insensitive (or whatever he is being that people are objecting to so strongly), but now when he says it he is?

Give me a break. Ross obviously holds Johnno in very high regard and has said so on several occasions. It is entirely obvious to everyone that Johnno won't play for us next year, but when Ross says it, its not ok?
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #30

The_Yeti
It doesn't matter if people think its obvious he will or won't play.

Its simply disrespectful to make that sort of comment instead of allowing the players to make their own decisions and announcements. You would think he would have learned from how badly he screwed up at St Kilda doing the same thing.

He's an idiot.
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Drubbing rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #31

Drubbing
Pearce was always gone, his contract was up. Johnson has accrued over 200 games. He deserved the opportunity to make a statement himself, if he wanted to. If he didn't, that could have been stated as well.

The disregard Lyon displays by only suggesting 'it's on the agenda' regards a farewell game speak volumes of the state of this club. Show some class and grace for your past leaders ferchissakes

You're right. Some people will never be happy. Right up until the shits in charge have left.
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rogerrocks rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #32

rogerrocks
I'm just glad the players aren't as sensitive as you lot!
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #33

The_Yeti
You don't know that they aren't.

Some St Kilda players still haven't forgotten or forgiven Roly for doing the same thing.

www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/st-kild...e9ec0bc9b54332c34eeb

Its called having respect. You can Google that
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Morgan rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #34

Morgan
Lyon seems to have a deep affection for the admirable servants of his clubs. Him choking up when speaking about blokes like de Boer and Mzungu is testament to that. He doesn't take departures lightly. Most on here reckon he plays his veterans too long at the expense of game time into kids. Most of his former players speak highly of him. He has direct personal relationships with his players, that seem to extend beyond his coaching tenures. At least on the park he's been good to Johnno and D Pearce. In Pearce's case, better than most people on here would have been.

He, Johnno and Pearce all know the state of play next year. So does everyone in the entire football universe. He didn't 'retire' them today. It's been obvious all season this was their last season. What purpose does playing coy serve, other than to be patronising? He's heaped both with praise in the past, and now.

I reckon it's pretty conceited to say that Lyon erred in respect of a his comments on a relationship he seems to value and has cultivated for the better part of a decade, based on what you read in a news story.

But hey, I guess you know about the inner workings of the club, the conversations that have been had, and the desires of the players more than the coach.
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KingKepler rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #35

KingKepler
There is being honest and then there is being respectful.

I think you might be blurring the line between the two a bit Morgan.

Lyon was maybe trying to be come across as both but it didn’t come out too well. Pearce and Johnson may be happy it’s been put out there, but if it were me and I had invested over 10 years in an AFL career I wouldn’t want someone else announcing ad hoc I was finished with. But maybe they’re cool with it and it was just a bit clumsy of Ross.

Being honest doesn’t automatically saying something right. A bit like if a woman asks ‘do I look fat in this’ and you answer honestly!
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larkin rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #36

larkin
I'm sure if Roly said something was black, people on here would say it wasn't.
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #37

The_Yeti
....and equally Larkin, when people on here raise a valid point, you can be sure that contrary people will distort what was said
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Noddy rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #38

Noddy
Is it possible he consulted with them before making the announcement, does anyone here know?
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The_Yeti rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #39

The_Yeti
Since Roly retired them in response to a reporter's question rather than being the focus of a press conference, I think you can assume in the microseconds between question and answer that he didn't consult either player.
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Flag_2005 rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #40

Flag_2005
‘Retired them’ is an overreach - there isn’t a single footy person who thought Johnno and Pearce were going around again in 2019.
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FDB rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #41

FDB
Look, regardless of whether they knew they'd not play next year, and especially regardless of whether "everyone" knew, it's just disrespectful and tacky not to let them say so on their own terms.

Unless both players explicitly asked for this to be announced in response to an unsolicited question at a presser, it stinks.
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Corporal Agarn rebuild: next phase 5 years 9 months ago #42

Corporal Agarn
For someone who spends all his time being dismissive of the press, talking around around questions instead of giving straight answers and an often blase attitude, I did find it somewhat surprising how quickly and bluntly he answered that question.
Certainly different to his normal approach and for someone who supposedly cares greatly for his players it seemed inappropriate to me. He could easily have worded it in a better way which is something he is a master of.
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