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Bizkit Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #29

Bizkit
Just popping in again to clarify, Johnno was used as a utility both forward and back quite successfully until Tarrant left and we needed a permanent KPD. He was predominantly a backman who occasionally swung forward to kick a goal or two. Pretty tough to claim RL turned him into a defender when he was already playing there most of the time.
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Raglan Matt Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #30

Raglan Matt
Bloody Hell, GS, is that the photos from motelgate that Zac D used for all those years of footy he got with Lyon?
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expat Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #31

expat
"misery-guts-central" lol... I like it. But I blame Dennis Pagan for the flood.
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Corporal Agarn Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #32

Corporal Agarn
The original post was meant more as a question as to why we play so many players recruited for a particular role in the back line.
Is it because of Roly's defensive mind set, I don't know. There seems to have been an awful lot of midfielders sent to the backline, even though our midfield is not that great.
It seems more unusual when our forward line is so non productive, but a lot of people feel that's because of our coaching structures as well.
Cerra had spent his whole junior career as a midfielder, so it seems strange to me that he is now being used in the backline, particularly when that's an area we don't have a lack of options.
if you think you have a need for a backman, midfielder, forward or whatever why not draft someone who actually plays there instead of trying to invent them into a new role? As we know they don't always work out but it seems the most sensible way to go about things.
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Jezza Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #33

Jezza
Cerra’s two best games was when he played in the backline. This early stage of development, that’s his best role, unless you want him pummeled into oblivion. Together with Brayshaw, they’ll be our engine moving forward. Build their bodies up and imagine the possibilities. I looked at Christian Petracca and I see a midfield beast. Yet his midfield minutes after 4 years in the system is negligible. Though after the weekend, him and Clayton Oliver with Angus Brayshaw, will be a formidable midfield. Both Brayshaw and Petracca have been groomed for the engine room. In a rebuild that’s what you do, you find out which foot soldier you need where.
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Corporal Agarn Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #34

Corporal Agarn
Okay, but I'm not into grooming.
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Morgan Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #35

Morgan
I've watched Cerra all season, and I'm still not sure what his best role will be. I think he could play anywhere, and he's pretty much played everywhere this season. I don't really see anything wrong with that, in fact I consider it a good way to learn a bit about the game.

If Logue comes back in any sort of shape or form, then spots in the back half are going to be pretty well covered, so I'd be inclined to have Cerra finish the season as a high half forward, if for no other reason than he seems to be a reasonable reliable kick, and our forwards could use all the help they can get. The downside with that role is that at times he is going to look lost.
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rogerrocks Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #36

rogerrocks
And Pav was played all over the park. Half back, midfield, CHF, full forward. Its a good way to learn.
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Drubbing Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #37

Drubbing
Pavlich was one of the few players that could dominate any position he was played in.
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freo00 Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #38

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I’ve have remained optimistic for 25+ years and in that time we’ve had worse duds than Roly ?

I agree with this statement , but I think Roly is very close to the rest of them .
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cletus Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #39

cletus
I dont mind young blokes starting in the backline to "learn the game". Was fine for Mundy, and fine for Pav. Sometimes,a young or old forward/midfielder has to be sent back there to "sort their game out. " eg Crozier, Ibbo, Brown (long ago), Tarrant. Sometimes it improves them, some times it doesnt. Bit like Kersten now....will it work??

What I object to is the style if defensive play they currently have to adhere to.. 'RoLyball' or what seems to me to be a complete fustercluck, is doing nothing for the progression of some of these players, and I daresay is making a few 'more injury prone' than they otherwise would be, simply by the energy they have to expend playing it.
It breaks my heart seeing a young fellow like Cerra - (or, for that matter older fellows like the Hills) - running out of the backline, with no one forward of them to kick to, because they are all behind them.!

For them to have to stop, prop , kick sideways to delay, or simply get caught while they are buggarizing around trying to work out what to do, is teaching them SFA!!!

All their natural instincts and flair are taken away and they resort to a one meter handball, or a backwards kick to someone who is also under pressure, because the opposition have read us like a book and know exactly how things are going to end up.

Label it "RoLy Bashing" if you like, but all this is of his doing.

He has the simple option of leaving 3 'stay at home forwards" down in the goalsquare or thereabouts.

As I've said previously, they be down there manned ( so it's still 15 -on-15 elsewhere on the field, where the contest is, if thats how he wants it to be, or, they'll be unmanned forwards - at the opposition coaches behest.

At least there'll be a couple of leading targets/options forward of the ball, when one of our halfbacks/ wingers are steaming through the centre, using their natural flair & instinct, looking for someone.

Its so simple - if I may say so myself - but its so bloody hard for RoLy to even imagine it,let alone 'throw it to the wind' and try something completely different to what hes always done.

Thats why I am unashamedly 'Anti-Roly' at the moment - like many others amongst us...
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Morgan Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #40

Morgan
But they won’t be manned. If the forwards are two or three kicks from the play, the defenders will just peel off and stand one or two kicks from the play and easily mop up the hurried kick out of defence.

It will be 15 v 18.

That’s why it happens. What good teams and forwards know is when to stay at home and when to get sucked up the ground. We aren’t a good team.
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Jezza Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #41

Jezza
Cletus, on the weekend we played with 9 players less than 25 games experience. The Demons were 12months older and 500 games more experienced. Did you noticed how the Demons transitioned the ball during the 2014-2016 period. Plenty of teams were in a position like we are currently, teams like Carlton, Saints and the Suns are still figuring that out. Brisbane, while they’ve had 2 consecutive wins are anchored down the ladder. Port who we’ll play this weekend have gone and got some rejects to compliment their list. Their time is now and it should’ve been last year or perhaps 2016. Frustrated as we might be, getting a new coach could deliver success, like Roly almost did in 2013. The Dogs did it in 2016, but Rich to their credit stood strong. And boy they’re a champion team
now.
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hypen Anyone Else For The Backline? 5 years 9 months ago #42

hypen
Cerra will land in the midfield sure as day. He'll be a Pendlebury type just better.

Cox was an U18 All Australian CHB who has been turned into a promising key forward.
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