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TOPIC: West Coast free kick count investigation

exceed West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #1

exceed
Good to see in the paper today that the AFL announced an investigation into westcoast free kick count at the optus stadium.

Last weeks Essendon game was just beyond a joke.

Leaving Margettes not to umpire the west coast games will improve the free kick tally on its own.
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Docker by the Sea WESTCOAST FREE COUNT INVESTIGATION 5 years 10 months ago #2

Docker by the Sea
Good, not just Optus though is an historical anomaly at home. Should be assessed inside this context
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purple kit WESTCOAST FREE COUNT INVESTIGATION 5 years 10 months ago #3

purple kit
You do realise that if he’s not allowed to umpire any weegles games at Optus stadium, he will umpire every one of our games there as he’s from WA and they won’t except him to travel every week?

Plus he’ll be really annoyed that he can’t prop them up so will look to push us down further. Which the AFL will assume means their decision was correct as the WA teams home ground advantage is reduced.
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rogerrocks WESTCOAST FREE COUNT INVESTIGATION 5 years 10 months ago #4

rogerrocks
I found it fascinating that the AFL said they hadn't managed to explain it yet. They said that Freo should get the same crowd noise effect, yet clearly we didn't get the WC free kick effect.
WC supporters always say they get more frees because they are first to the ball and get more possessions, or because they have great marking forwards and the only way to beat them is to give away free kicks in marking contests. But these explanations are no good because when you look at last weeks game against Essendon, they didn't have big marking forwards, and they were well on top in the free kick count, even in the first quarter when they were losing the possession count big time.
I suppose they didn't consider that getting WC fanboys to do their umpiring might be a factor? In addition the local meejya would go ballistic if WC started being treated fairly by the umps. The AFL is just following the path of least resistance by giving vocal supporters and meejya tame umps to look after their golden boys. I have no idea why they are surprised at how it works out.
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The_Yeti WESTCOAST FREE COUNT INVESTIGATION 5 years 10 months ago #5

The_Yeti
There was a rumour a few weeks back that 60 Minutes was looking at the slime free kick record.

I have no idea if thats true but it perhaps might explain why, after 15 odd years of inexplicable free kick counts to the slime, the AFL is now looking for something to justify the strange numbers.

Maybe.

Its hardly a new phenomenon, so why look for excuses now? If they can concoct a half way credible explanation, you can be sure of two things:

i. it will be explained and justified 50 times per game, and
ii. nothing will change
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hypen West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #6

hypen
Shane made a point that they were coached a certain way and I am starting to think there is a bit in that. They never back chat or demonstrate, we know they are good at ducking and they rarely give away silly free kicks.

Being on the right side of the umpire shouldn't make a difference but it does, ask Ballantyne
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Jezza West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #7

Jezza
Like any sport, you play on the edge. All clubs gets an umpire visit every season to clarify the rules of the game. The slime just put on more of a spread when the umps visit. To say that the coach instills discipline is rubbish. The free kick count will continue on irrespective of an investigation. Some things don’t change.
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hypen West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #8

hypen
You're a 100 per cent correct Jezza.
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shane West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #9

shane
That's called poor sportsmanship.

My point was that they look at the interpretations of the rules and exploit them. I don't want my team to do that.
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hypen West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #10

hypen
I thought it odd you gave them compliment. Nah, it's good coaching Shane.
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Morgan West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #11

Morgan
I don't know of there's an objective way to determine whether West Coast deserved all those free kicks. I've argued in the past that the way they play makes them more likely to receive them. They have a number of smaller midfielders that go searching for them, and a number of tall forwards that either spook the defenders into infringing, spook the umpires into paying them, or both.

There's an oft-cited aphorism that justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done. There's a growing sentiment that West Coast are getting more than their fair rub of the flouro yellow, and the AFL will probably have to intervene to ensure justice is being seen to be done. It's moved beyond 'interstate teams' to just West Coast, meaning inaction is increasingly difficult for the AFL.

Or, as Gil would probably drawl 'it's not a good look', so 'we'll take a look at it.' My theory is that Gil refers to 'looks' often, because the only reason he's a CEO of a major sporting organisation is that he looks like one.
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shane West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #12

shane
It's why Steve Smith is playing cricket in Canada, hypen.
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The_Yeti West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #13

The_Yeti
Ignoring the tin foil hat side of the argument, it is still pretty clear that there isn't that big an impact caused by the so called 'noise of affirmation'. If the roar of the crowd was the factor making the difference, then other teams would also be enjoying a noticeable boost in frees at their home games, including Freo.

Somehow, other crowds don't seem to have the same impact and I'm not sure how a constant boo somehow convinces the ump that an eagle was taken high.

What I have noticed is the difference in 'interpretations'. egurls tacklers get HTB decisions that don' go the other way is just one example that seems to be a regular occurrence.

I would also like to know how a constant boo somehow convinces Margetts that an egurl didn't actually throw the ball.

This 'noise of affirmation' garbage is just that...garbage. Eventually, somebody will hold that excuse up to the ridicule it deserves.
Egurls Suck!
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pollyanna West Coast free kick count investigation 5 years 10 months ago #14

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Not that there's anything wrong with playing cricket in Canada.
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