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Walter the baker Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #15

Walter the baker
We cant be bystanders and leave it up to people like Eddie to deal with this rubbish.
If I hear this at a ground I call security and get them to stand by me as I politely tell offenders that their racist comments aren't appreciated. They can either swallow the feedback or deal with security if they don't like what they hear - that's what security is there for. I'm not comfortable doing it but I do it for my kids and for others that need to see that the majority anti-racist view can be openly expressed in front of these idiots. They are in the wrong, not us!
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Morgan Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #16

Morgan
Laugh_Cry, it’s really difficult. I’ve been on both sides of similar difficult conversations. Many years ago a dad who sat near me approached me to ask if I could maybe keep the general swearing down a bit. Personally I didn’t think I’d crossed the line, but people have different views of where that line is and what I was saying had clearly bothered him enough to approach me. I appreciated that he came to me directly rather than telling security, for example. I can’t say I was perfect from then on – how can you completely eliminate swearing when you are a Freo fan? – but I caught up with him later in the season and he said he appreciated the effort.

The other side of the coin was when we had some young guys behind us who were a bit keen on homophobic slurs. I was probably guilty of that as an idiot teenager a couple of decades ago, but times have moved on a bit since then and I wasn’t comfortable not saying anything. I just waited until I was alone with the most sensible looking guy in the group (in the beer line, obviously) and just said that while swearing in general didn’t bother me, the homophobic F-word wasn’t cool and asked him if he could just use any number of the other swear words to describe players from the other team. The next time one of his mates yelled it out, he said something like ‘maybe don’t use that word’ and a couple of other people around them chirped up and agreed they he should probably put that word away.

As for Polly’s advice, I remember a couple of years ago being on a bus, and there was a quiet high school kid, I think maybe Iranian, and some old nutter on the bus started having a crack at him, I guess for being Muslim of something. Anyway, as I was sitting next to the kid, I just had a chat with him and made sure he knew that everyone thought the other bloke was a dickhead and to ignore him, but that if got any further in his grill we’d step in. As it happens some other old bloke on his way to work took matters into his own hands and just snotted the old racist, and literally threw him off the bus and gave him a couple to go on with. I’m not saying that’s the right thing to do, but when I think about which bloke I’d rather be, I kinda wish I was more like that guy.
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Mercury Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #17

Mercury
Can I just say that racial/homophobic slurs are rare. I have been going to Freo games for 23 (?) years now and I can honestly say that only once did someone near us spit out disgusting comments. That was at a Freo final and the young blokes were plastered. We did speak up and they did quieten down. Actually, they were so drunk that they fell asleep in their seats.

I think it is really uncommon for a Freo fan to express racist or homophobic views and for that, I am proud. I reckon we are much better than most clubs. We aren't perfect, but we are a pretty good mob of supporters.
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Raglan Matt Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #18

Raglan Matt
You shoulda had a go Morgan, I reckon you woulda got the charge downgraded to insufficient force, low impact and acting under provocation. No case to answer. The rest of us woulda taken the 6 weeks and gone to Europe for the summer. (on that note, I see A Pearces' plans for the northern summer have been thrown out the door. Good news for us, but I hope he had travel insurance.)
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laugh_cry Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #19

laugh_cry
I appreciate and thank everyone for all the feedback.
Depending on how the next games pan out, I will use your suggestions, hoping a quiet word stops it but escalating to whatever is necessary, hopefully not getting thrown out of the ground!!
We’ve been to the games since Freo began and this is the first time we’ve been in earshot of racist comments so yes, the majority of us show the way.
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Raglan Matt Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #20

Raglan Matt
Seriously though, Laughcry, We had about 5 years of attending home games at Subi, before we left town and I can say that I never heard a racist comment in block 339.
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rogerrocks Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #21

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Although much to my disgust a fair number at Subi decided to boo Adam Goodes when it was flavour of the month among the "Its not that he's black,I just don't like the way he plays the game" crowd.
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Raglan Matt Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #22

Raglan Matt
Had already left when that happened, RR. It really gutted me to see it happen, but as we often say, idiots and racists are gunna pop up sometime, somewhere when you don't expect it. Just hope they have either been educated or run outta town. The old fashioned "run outta town" too.
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Voice of Reason Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #23

Voice of Reason
I would just like to add my support to this thread. I only hope that someone else reposted the picture and added the offensive racist remark and that it wasn't the young freo supporter in the picture. If anyone knows or sits near this young person please check what happened and perhaps if it was him he could repost the picture with an apology. As a Freo member from the beginning and someone privileged enough train and play a couple of games at South Fremantle during the era of TI , Maurice, Benny Vigona, Basil etc,etc. I have always been proud of the number of indigenous players that we have been lucky enough to have with us. It makes us a stronger and prouder club
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Stacksonthemill Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #24

Stacksonthemill
I don't think there is any suggestion that the young fella in the photo was involved. A kid with a hero of the game. I think it's the response from some ignorant goose on seeing the photo that is the issue. He should be outed and publicly shamed. I'm old enough now to say, "bring back the stocks!".
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The Spud Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #25

The Spud
I certainly understand the sentiment. Racism has no place anywhere, and football is no exception. In this case though, it's likely just some uneducated bogan typing things into his computer that he really doesn't comprehend the ramifications of. I'm not sure that giving too much thought and/or "airtime" to people like that is very productive. After all the vast majority of people have no such beliefs.
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pollyanna Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #26

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There's nothing to suggest the troll is a Freo supporter, nothing.

I hate that Indigenous footballers have to stomach this stuff - it's way past the time when targets of abuse (in any form) should face it. It's disappointing that racists are still around - online, at a bus stop to Curtin or sitting in the stands at a footy game. Counselling doesn't work - those limp-wrist remedies have had their day and they've failed. No, there's only one language that they understand - like that bloke on Morgan's bus you gotta stand up and snot them.
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The_Yeti Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #27

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Sorry, Polly,

Agreed with all of that until you mentioned snotting them. They deserve it yes but I can't go along with violence.

Yeah bring back the stocks....name and shame. Don't give the idiots any excuse or room to hide.

As a society I think we've moved on from crap like that but there is always a few idiots who are slow to catch on.

My real hope is that Eddie sees all the support he gets from the large majority and takes some comfort from that. He absolutely deserves much better
Egurls Suck!
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guy smiley Dear Eddie Betts 5 years 10 months ago #28

guy smiley
Actually...

I'm going to hammer a tent peg here somewhat. We all like to think that 'our mob' wouldn't do this or that but it's naive to assume that, sorry. The Freo crowd has come a long way from those cosy, warm days of the late 90s and early 2000s and more wins attracts more dickheads. The fun has gone and been replaced by something more 'serious'.

Abuse of indigenous players isn't reserved for older blokes who should know better. Neither is sexism or bullying. These things are current and only succeed when allowed to. By all means do what you can to openly discourage this sort of crap but don't put yourself in harm's way... there's a lot of aggro around and often goes hand in hand with overt abuse.
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