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FDB Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #29

FDB
Well then Shane. you should be glad it's going up at Swampland Stadium. You can fix it up in the dead of night with a brown sharpie much more easily than at the MCG.
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FDB Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #30

FDB
Actually, this makes me wonder about statues more generally.

Without the internet, would the Russians of the future ever have known that Gorbachev's head had been shat on by a pelican?
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expat Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #31

expat
I'd prefer a Barry Cable statue rather than Nicky Winmar... Next minute we'll see a Buddy statue as well. Seems like the AFL is metaphorically giving us the finger for these great West Australians that never played for a WA AFL team.
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shane Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #32

shane
Statues are how we know that John Curtin bought his suits off the rack.
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guy smiley Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #33

guy smiley
Dr Sean has a say, here...

Yet this resistance to the statue being placed at Optus Stadium is in direct opposition to Winmar’s original message.

What needs to be understood is the deep connection to country that Aboriginal identity has. Country is identity. The culture of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians is deeply rooted in the land and sea. It is why the stolen generations for many blackfellas still sting like blazes, and will for many years to come given the issue is still alive today. It’s why issues around native title and the treaty debates resonate with such power and are so hotly negotiated.

Winmar wanting to have the statue placed at Optus Stadium means something about his Noongar identity and has nothing to do with the amount of games played, premierships won or Sandover medals secured. That is why the statue being at Optus is a perfectly reasonable choice given the actions of Winmar on that day, when he spoke out against the abuse and redirected the conversation that Australia so desperately needed to have and is still, in many respects, having today.
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shane Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #34

shane
Of course he does - and if you're against him you're a 6PR listener.

That's a nice sentiment but I think it's a long bow. I think Winmar is a bloke with a pretty good opinion of himself, who is proud of what he did and would like a statue of it in a prominent place. There's nothing wrong with that but the people who make decisions about putting up statues should look at a bigger picture than what the bloke the statue is of would like.

This podcast about a statue is good, although the complete opposite direction of this statue.
thememorypalace.us/2015/08/notes-on-an-imagined-plaque/

My loosely related point is that a statue often says more about the people who put it up than the event itself. It would please a lot of people to put up something that represented a good moment in the fight against racism, and it should, but that doesn't mean that it's the right statue in the right spot. You don't start by building statues first and then finding somewhere to plonk them second. You start by deciding whether you want a statue.
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guy smiley Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #35

guy smiley
Well yeah, there is the whole 'dammit, we've got this statue, what should we do with it' theme to this and that overshadows any effort related to authenticity and integrity...

but we're familiar with that dynamic because AFL.

In that context then, perhaps this is the best outcome. This is Nicky Winmar's country. He came from here and he represented his country with pride and honour.
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Blue1red1 Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #36

Blue1red1
Whats a 6PR listener?

Why not have a couple of the things.
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DougGreen Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #37

DougGreen
There should be 4 of them.

1 at Optus

1 at the MCG

1 in the middle of Victoria Park

And 1 on Joffa's front lawn
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Hamihill Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #38

Hamihill
Is there “a bigger picture than what the bloke the statue is of would like”?
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shane Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #39

shane
I'd be interested to know what he'd like if he were offered a genuine choice between Optus Stadium and the MCG.
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guy smiley Needs more nipple 5 years 10 months ago #40

guy smiley
What are the odds, you reckon?

That's the part of all of this that doesn't sit right. Is it just healthy scepticsm or the sound of the choppers triggering flashbacks.
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