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Raglan Matt Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #57

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Supercoaches like Mathews hate attack, because it leads to unstructured player led tactics as players react to the defense in front of them. They continue to spread the myth of defense being the holy grail of premiership teams. It is a myth, you don't have to stop the opposition scoring. You only have to score more than they do. This is impossible if your whole game plan and tactics are predicated on stopping them scoring, not scoring more than them.

The great coaches have a simple attacking game plan. Everything builds from the players ability to adapt that simple game plan to kick goals.
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themagoos Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #58

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What expat said - it bears repeating:
"I'd say Ross was always playing "in the moment" and not considering what happens down the track. We should have always been bringing in one or two kids into the fold to experience the level back then. Maybe 2 or 3 weeks at a time each just for the future.

But we continued to play our best players all the time until they broke. So when most of them broke all at once the other year then the kids that replaced them could not cope and so the wheels started to fall off."

In 2015, before RL got his contract extension, he had Weller, Langdon, A Pearce, Collins, Blakely, Grey and others playing for Peel. Freo were top of the ladder but flagging with every passing game. He didn't play any of the younger cohort, which is what a better coach and one who gave a rat's about the future of the club would have done. He only needed to blood one or two a week, to get games into them for 2016, and maybe even discover a rough diamond to bring energy and passion to a tiring outfit in the finals. Instead he drove the main group until they broke, and over the cliff into 2016, when he was perversely rewarded for doing this with a massive contract extension.

Since then, nothing but boring, miserable, losing footy and cynical dissembling. A GF in 2020 is a fantasy and the seeds for our current woes were sown back in 2015.
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Docker by the Sea Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #59

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Wingman I have to take exception to your play on at all cost ideology. On Sunday I appreciated that the players took the time to get back off their mark and have a look for a genuine option before giving off to a running option if available. I am not saying that this should be our only mode of operation but baby steps.
During the pre season I was excited by how fluidly we were able to take the game on and run in waves, it hasn’t stood up during the real stuff. I have lost count of the times throughout the year tha players have automatically given off or played on with no real reason too and left ourselves without any options. I don’t want to get into a whole debate about why we don’t have people forward of the play, but if we don’t there is no real purpose in the play on. Players need to learn when. I watched in the Kangaroos game, the ball had been locked in our back half for eternity and we had not been hurt. Fyfe received a free kick on the back flank, we needed to hold and try and get some momentum, instead we rushed to take the advantage only to have no options turn it over and concede a very easy goal.
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purplethai Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #60

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not much on at work so did some analysis... which means nothing but..
Since we joined the league we have spent equal most years in the bottom 8
Richmond and Melbourne join us with 16 years in the bottom 8- both are now on the ascent so we are likely to be the worst by the end of this year.
Longest spell in the bottom - Melbourne with 10 consecutive years, Us and Tigers 8 years each
Sydney have only spent 4 years in the bottom 8 with there longest spell down there being 1 year, they seem to continually have a great blend of youth and experience.
Geelong and Hawks have spent a little longer down there but bounce up pretty quickly and sustain success at the top
7 premierships between them.
Now back to the whiskey bottle
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Ricco Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #61

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I have to admit I am pretty peeved with the club and I want heads to roll. But I've never actually felt like this before.

During the 90's, I found Freo quite fun. In the 2000's, I don't reckon our performances were any better. Even early in the 10's it was OK. In all this time I've abused Eagles supporters, backed up whatever coach we had and supported the team through thick and thin.

We used to have a point of difference to the mob up the road. Our crowds were discerning, knew when to boo (only at the umpires), clapped the opposition team and dare I say it stood and applauded a losing finals team.

At the moment though, I'm over it and I can't quite figure out why. I can't even muster the energy to poke fun at the Eagles supporters.

But I think it is the people. When you had the likes of McManus captaining, you knew he was a limited player but gave his all for Freo. Connelly wasn't the greatest coach, but you can see that he cared deeply.

The mob at the moment sit there flossing their teeth while Rome burns.

Maybe it's just a general maliase with professional sports.

Anyway, I can't see myself ever supporting another team. But equally I struggle to see me ever supporting Ross the Floss again.
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Montrachet Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #62

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Pretty easy to say all that in hindsight themagoos, but do you seriously think a team on top of the ladder and in premiership mode is going to play anything other than its best 22 each week? Poppycock.
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expat Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #63

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Talking about following another team... at the moment we're no better than the Thai Women's Volley Ball Team. They seem to have about the same win/loss ratio. Which, actually... makes me feel at home.
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pollyanna Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #64

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Carn yous Thai women volleyballers - hit 'em real hard, send 'em down below!
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themagoos Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #65

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Except that it isn't a hindsight position Montrachet. It was pretty obvious the team was stuffed from the middle of the season toward the end. Did anything get changed up or switched out? Nah, nothing. Home finals and still couldn't get the job done. I don't think anyone was that surprised given the way we were playing and the fact that nothing was being tried to give them spark.
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laugh_cry Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #66

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I feel the same, Ricco, it’s heartbreaking.

We were at the Freo/ Tigers game and in the final quarter, the back 6 got together in a huddle. They looked rudderless and disillusioned. I wondered if they had lost respect for Ross’s game plans.
That feeling is growing.
Does anyone know at what point the hierarchy ask the players what they want?

Richmond were stoppable in that game if Ross had changed the set-up. Adam Simpson proved that later but Ross has tunnel vision and is losing the players (and rusted on supporters)
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mac Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #67

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Is there such a thing as back to basics? This expression was used when a team was not competing to the level of teams doing it right.
But in the year 2018 what are the basics?
Also watching the state of origin tonight I do feel the sport I love has become precious and princess bound.
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Montrachet Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #68

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Yeah, nah, the magoos. You're still enjoying the rear-mirror view.

Mid way through the season they were 11-1. So everyone sat back and said its a shemozzle and, say, tell Barlow he's not required? Like hell.

They only lost four in the home and away. Again not a signal to play the kids at the expense of a double chance / home final is it? There would have been howls of derision.

Sure there were suspicions that the group was tiring under the brand they were playing, probably more so a suspicion that they'd peaked too soon. But to suggest blind Freddy could see it mid-way through 2015 is a long bow to draw.
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Gerovich Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #69

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Maybe not blind Freddie, but his visually impared younger sister could. Signs were there.
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blockerhall Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #70

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I hear the words of mastercoaches about defence. But I notice a compelling statistic about every single premiership winner- they all scored more than their opponents. Attacking and goal-scoring is our obvious problem, and won't turn around anytime soon. Doubly so under this regime.
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