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TOPIC: Whats Going On?

shane Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #43

shane
That's how obvious it is. Tim Watson can see it.
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Morgan Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #44

Morgan
Watson and Wallace. Clive help us. Remember when we played 5 guys forward at the bounce and experts where lining up to pot Freo? I didn’t hear those same experts challenge Hardwick when he never had more than 5 (and often 4) forward at the bounce while they smashed Essendon.

Watson is the laziest analyst in the game. We’re losing so the planning was off. Well, ok, but what in particular? Does he not rate our drafting, or trading? Does he not think we gave games to young blokes early enough?

I’m assuming he doesn’t discuss coaching because everyone would laugh at him.
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expat Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #45

expat
I'd say Ross was always playing "in the moment" and not considering what happens down the track. We should have always been bringing in one or two kids into the fold to experience the level back then. Maybe 2 or 3 weeks at a time each just for the future.

But we continued to play our best players all the time until they broke. So when most of them broke all at once the other year then the kids that replaced them could not cope and so the wheels started to fall off.

Then someone in management had a bright idea which has lead to where we are now.

Notice Ross said "youth policy"?

So basically now, someone else, from above is pulling his strings.

We just need to ride it out until 2020.
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rogerrocks Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #46

rogerrocks
Corporal Agarn, you might hold Port Adelaide up as a successful team, but try going on their supporters web site - for a "successful side" they are very abusive!
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Jooter Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #47

Jooter
Expat, that's basically what Brad Hardie said on 6PR; that Ross had included one or more of Ballas, Johnno, Matera, but was over-ruled. Either Hardie is making things up - I wouldn't put it past him - or FFC is leaking like a sieve, at the highest levels. Understand this: Hardie is clearly doing his best to usurp Lyon with Sumich, so everything he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but that doesn't mean he's lying.
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goodie Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #48

goodie
I am surprised at how little pressure Ross Lyon seems to be under from the outside footy world. If there continues to be no improvement it will surprise me if he sees out the season. But any review of the coaches position will be pointless if it doesn’t include a review of the people that have built the list. It is a terrible squad. I definitely don’t subscribe to the theory that a new coach could turn this around anytime soon. List management and the people involved in finding talent could not have got it more wrong in my opinion. They say things are never as good or bad in footy as you think but I am not sure about that because I don’t think the rebuild has really started at Fremantle.
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The_Yeti Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #49

The_Yeti
Yeah goodie, I don't think our list is all that terrible.

We have a few obvious deficiencies but the core of the list isn't too bad. I'm not claiming its a premiership quality squad but I am saying we do not get the best out of what we have and we haven't for some time.

The defence is pretty good. If we could get a Patton or Hogan type to lead our forwards AND play a second tall in Tabs / Apeness / Cox then much of our forward line issues would be dealt with.

Apart from Fyfe our mids have been a little out of sorts but we are still winning the centre clearances in most game. Unfortunately we turn it over, often under little or no pressure.

As I've said before, we need to improve our skills and we need to get away from the defence at all costs mindset to get the best out of our squad.

Until we do both of those things, then yesterday's game will continue to happen
Egurls Suck!
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The Prince Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #50

The Prince
Hang in there members. Our strength is simply in the size of our membership (and everything that flows from there, including attracting talent on and off the field). If we want to be a great club in the future we need to endure this lean time.
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goodie Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #51

goodie
It is only the size of our membership that prevents us from being relocated to Hobart.
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Drubbing Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #52

Drubbing
Freo supporters have endured far too many - those days were supposed to be behind us. I warmed a bench at Subi during 2001-2, with about 10,000 others. I've said it before - boom and bust is the sign of a badly run club.

We were a badly run club back then, and are now. Exactly how will supporters change that?

They won't. Those committed to season tickets will mostly turn up. Give me one reason why anyone else would.
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hypen Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #53

hypen
I don't think it's been the planning more the execution. Id say in the years from 2011 to 2015 our list management has been the worst since inception. Yes worse than the early days.

Now that period of time saw no top ten picks but there is still a great deal that can be achieved without real early picks.

Blakely, Tucker, Langdon and Neale is essentially what the club can take forward from the period I mentioned.

We are wearing the pain from that period in my view. And doing a fine job in catching up in the past two years.

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wingman Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #54

wingman
When RL says that he moved all the young players around into different positions no wonder they look confused on what their roll is. At least if they had a locked in game plan that they all knew and could build on as they get more experience we would maybe see where we are headed. But to watch every player just take a mark then walk back, look around to see where he might be able to kick it then end up just bombing it down the line for a turnover is just painful to watch.

For me, I would prefer them to play on at all costs like all the good sides and attempt to be really aggressive offensively, have players spread hard so it gives the ball carrier something to kick to and if it doesn't come off just keep practising. At the moment they just jog on the spread or stand their waving their arms around which shows a complete lack of intensity. Unfortunately this game style is entrenched right across this team, Peel and AFLW.
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guy smiley Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #55

guy smiley
So ahhhh...

look, I'll just get it out there. I watch other sports. One in particular involves the use of an oval ball. It's a weird sport to those not used to it and of course, there's an off side line so footy fans get all weirded out by that straight away, like chickens hypnotised by a line drawn in the sand straight out from the point of their beak...(true story, try it).

Anyway, it's a very structured game. The players do have specific roles but the speed of it means the really good teams...

i) have players who know what do do regardless of where on the park they are,
ii) where in the game they are
iii) how to best position themselves to run support and cover defense.

So yeah... it's different to footy, but those principles apply. So do these...

iv) players coming into the team from reserve grades know where they fit and what to do,
v) systems are in place right throughout the organisation that ensure consistency and team ethos apply to everyone involved regardless of role or rank.

Of great comfort to me is that those two teams I follow specifically don't seem to have indoctrinated the players into the whole 'staying on message' corporate bullsh*t thing. They speak honestly and usually with humility.

So all that stands out to me as being distinct from what is happening at Freo... supposedly a professional sporting outfit led by a modern master coach. What I see is a bunch of young blokes who have been educated well in the business of empty positive speak and wellbeing jargon. When you want to see that talk being backed up with action you get performances fit for a misguided rabble. When you want to see the club present itself as an entity worthy of pride and motivation you get stonewall and whitewash.

So what's going on? In the cosy world of WA football it's all good, situation normal. Potential profit drops through poor on field performances by one of the local teams is a worry from a revenue perspective but both business are trading well with packages and merchandise sales maintaining a consistent level.

Local criticsm of performance, strategy and long term planning will be non existent due to the aforementioned cosy world of WA footy. A small town that has long been subject to the dominance of one team, regardless of merit, has too many partnerships and affiliations dependent on the status quo to cater for any serious introspection or hard review. Any criticsm will be published to boost page views and usually originate from interstate, when one of those on the fringes of the VFL360 purple circle trips over something newsworthy and despairingly flings it at the bars of his / her cage like a silverback at a zoo.

We're being dudded right up the dudhole by Dud Duddley and the Corporate Dud Brothers.
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Docker 26 Whats Going On? 5 years 10 months ago #56

Docker 26
All AFL coaches seem obsessed with defence. Leigh Mathews said during the commentary that you teach defence and the offence takes care of itself. Everything wrong with the game right there.
This principal can really only work with an elite list of players.
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