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TOPIC: Back to nowhere

purplepower Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #43

purplepower
Simpson did pretty well...and he will surpass Lyon probably this year on half his wage......unfortunately Lyon is done he has nothing to give simply past the used by date.
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Noddy Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #44

Noddy
Youve been watching too much Trump stuff.

Simpson was gone last year as was Darling, so things can turn around quickly. I would like some reference to where you found out he is getting half of what Lyon is getting...otherwise you're makng a factually misleading statement....ie no credibilty.
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expat Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #45

expat
Can we send him back to the WAFL for a few weeks where he can pickup his form?
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KingKepler Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #46

KingKepler
What is Lyons record for the last 100 games

That is the only way you can compare fairly to our other coaches that were in the role for 100 games or less.
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shane Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #47

shane
'Things can turn around quickly' is information that could have been useful when Ross was drawing up a strict 5 year timeline.
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rogerrocks Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #48

rogerrocks
I think everyone is hankering for the good old days when we would have stunning wins that no one expected followed by pathetic losses that no one expected. The old days when losing a final brought a standing ovation from the faithful. The scintillating form of 2006, where we beat the eventual premiers twice during the season.

But then came 2013, the GF, and the belief that we'd suddenly become a powerhouse club. And the first 8 games of 2015. And then winning the minor premiership that year, only to be knocked out of the finals by the umpires (with a little help from Hawthorn). Expectations were through the roof.

Then 2016 arrived just like 2007 - high hopes that came crashing back to earth. A list suddenly too old, too slow. Chris Connolly resigned in 2007, something that most people here think Ross Lyon should do. In the two years after CC left, we finished 14th and 14th.

Why aren't we Sydney, Geelong, Hawthorn, Adelaide or WC? Almost always in the mix for finals. I don't know, but perhaps its because there have been times in the past when we've looked short term. Perhaps the AFL and the local media haven't championed us. Perhaps its because we sold our soul for some chevrons. Who knows.

But I don't see any reason to change the coach. That is the sort of short term thinking that would have got rid of Bomber Thompson mid season from the Cats. That would have sacked Damien Hardwick from Richmond.

Nobody likes losing. It sucks. But historically we are very good at it.
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expat Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #49

expat
Fortunately for Lyon, which we all didn't see, was that his graphs weren't linear. They had a parabolic asymptotic skew to them.
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purplepower Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #50

purplepower
Noddy I have no facts on how much Simpson is getting and I should of said "possibly".... Lyon is probably one of the most paid coaches in the AFL and delivered a GFIn 2013....he sucks the life of football his football is unwatchable....the fans don't like it the afl don't like it the umps don't like it .....and sincearly when Ross is gone I don't think u will still be A Fremantle supporter.
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Hamihill Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #51

Hamihill
Most games are pretty unwatchable to me,you get the odd good game a floggin or a running maul with no offside.
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KingKepler Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #52

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In 2015 although we finished top of the ladder we scored the lowest from the top 12 clubs in the competition except for Geelong who finished 10th and scored about the same as us. Our percentage was also significantly lower than other clubs in the top 4 at around 118%. The clubs that finished 7th and 8th were the only clubs in the top 8 with a lower percentage.

The game plan utilised achieved a reasonable win loss ratio but it didn’t stand up in finals against strong sides and we were beaten in straight sets.

In 2014 we were beaten in finals in straight sets.

In 2013 we pulled a rabbit out of the hat and beat Geelong at their home ground and then faced a depleted Sydney side at home to make the grand final which has been the highlight of the last 6 years.

So we were pretty good for about 2.5 seasons but not good enough to win many finals and have been deplorable since 2015. This does not fill me with optimism that the coach we have can firstly get us back up into contention and secondly has a game plan that can win big finals consistently and win on grand final day.

Even when we finished top of the ladder in 2015 I struggled to feel excitement.

Lyons finals record with Fremantle is 3 wins and 6 losses. 1 of those wins was in 2012 and the other 2 were in 2013. We haven’t won a final in over 4 years with Lyon at the helm which by the end of this season will be 5 years.

We have won 16 games from the last 54 played.

Please enlighten to the reasons why I should feel more optimistic than I currently do.
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Noddy Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #53

Noddy
Our football is unwatchable to those who think if you dont win every week there's something drastically wrong. Every week there are 9 teams who get it wrong, and it generally comes down to those coaches not having the best 22 available to them. The WC games are boring as bat shite.....as are most AFL games nowadays.....a cross between line dancing and netball.

If we had a mobile quality back up for 211 and decent marking target in the forward line we would be winning games.....it’s not a coaching problem, it’s a playing personnel problem.

Kersten should replace Johnson for the rest of the season, as should Crowden for Balla, Hughes for DPearce. It’s time Roly stopped being kind to the old guys.
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Drubbing Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #54

Drubbing
Ah come off it. Some of us are not win-needy. What would be good to see is a plan, some organisation, some skills improvement from the old guys and the kids growing in confidence around them.

A forward line, some attacking, exciting football. Going for a frickin win even if you lose type football. We ain't getting that. Lyon is trying to see how little he can change his style and still find a way to win.

Everyone bangs on about the kids being the weak link - Cerra, Brayshaw and Ryan are showing some of the 100 gamers up.
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Noddy Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #55

Noddy
WCpower, I was a supporter well before Lyon showed up and will be a supporter after he's gone. You'd do well in the WC camp.....they're good frontrunners.
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The_Yeti Back to nowhere 5 years 11 months ago #56

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Kersten to replace Johnson? The Kersten who recorded 1 tackle as a defender last weekend?

If you have to swap out Johnno, you'd bring in Duman. Kersten just isn't a defender and may never been one.
Egurls Suck!
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