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expat Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #99

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I can see the plan taking shape. The plan is a field full of midfielders and defenders. We need more midfielders so they can rest in the forward line. Since our forward line will be choc full of midfielders then they will rotate into the midfield while the midfielder's rest in the forward line.

Somewhere in that process, some goals will be scored.

If all else fails, we'll listen to Bluey...

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Raglan Matt Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #100

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Morgan, I think the board has just cause to sack Lyon now for not delivering a GF by 2020. Anyone with 20/20 vision could see that.
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themagoos Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #101

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Bluey's comments aside, we've had a pretty ordinary forward line for a very long time and certainly before the 'rebuild' began. Pav was a legend but in his final years, as you'd expect, he struggled to kick a lot of goals. Then the burden of being the key forward fell to Mayne, which was ridiculous. When was the last time a Freo player was in the top ten, fifteen or twenty goalscorers in a season? This hasn't happened overnight, or even this decade.
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Drubbing Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #102

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What's the point? Make the 8 (by some minor miracle) and play one more week of football, but get to say you made the 8.

Is that the sustained success you were promised. Making up the numbers after R22?

Lyon can say whatever he wants about where he expects to be in 2020, because he won't be getting a 3rd extension if this carries on. That will be almost 10 years, with one brief purple patch. That's sustained failure.
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Morgan Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #103

Morgan
I'm not sure about that RM. Richmond had 8 wins in 2016 and won in 2017. You couldn't reasonably say a premiership was likely. Footscray had 7 wins in 2014 then won in 2016, same again.

The trajectory towards a flag is not always linear.
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ICONDOCKER Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #104

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There would be lots of valuable experience to be gained by just scraping into the 8.
Finals preparation, self belief and how to manage the rellies ticket allocation in Melbourne over a cup of coffee.
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Yossarian Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #105

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Now that I'm somewhat of an expert in statistics, and with my incredible ability to retain data in my brain, after reading through these most recent threads about game plans, coaches, tall forwards and their shadows, small forwards appropriate/inappropriate behaviour, not to mention whether to play with Cox in the back line, and whether or not Strumdinka is ready for the big league, I've come up with this conclusion.

For every Jezza, there are twelve Drubbings. Maybe more.
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Derby12 Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #106

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Morgan - my take on the rebuild is it is a myth used to cover up ineptitude and lack of strategic thinking by key personnel.

If it was a genuine requirement of football, and part of club planning, then why wouldn't clubs (and Freo) talk about the "upcoming rebuild" when they were doing well.

The good clubs renew their lists continually, or have brief periods of less success, rarely involving multiple seasons and the bottom 4 or 6. They don't talk about rebuilds. The crap clubs are continually rebuilding, and never getting it right, but never shut up about rebuilding.

We went from 1st to virtually last in 1 off season, and that disaster generated our rebuild rhetoric. That disaster was overseen by Lyon. A lot of coaches would have been (rightly) sacked for that. How the football department couldn't have seen that crash coming (when many of us on here did) confounds me. But if they did, they deliberately ignored it for at least 2 years, and gambled on a premiership with an ageing Pav and Elvis. The gamble failed, and now we are putting up with sustained poor performance as a result of their continued reliance on ageing KP superstars, and poor draft choices as a result.

As far as your argument about gradual improvement, I have said it before and I'll say it again - we have a soft draw this year. The worse you perform, the softer your draw is the next year, and the draw is critical in making up the 8. So we had a tough draw the year after our minor premiership. Giants, WC, Bullies twice. Our draw this year is butter soft, and critically, we have played the poor teams at home, increasing our chances of a win. We also have Nat Fyfe in great form, and in 2016 he was out with injury. Imagine if we’d reversed the home and away component of the fixtures to date, and had no Nat Fyfe playing - we could easily be sitting with 1-2 wins on the board.

So win/loss alone is a flawed way to measure progress. You need - as most here are - look at the developing patterns of play, coaching tactics, and structures. They are largely stagnant. Our % remains terrible, 5pts above Brisbane with 1 win on the board. The only reason we are winning more games than the 2016 disaster is due to the relative strength of the sides we have played, where we have played them, and the presence of Nat Fyfe in blistering form.

Coaching & team improvement? Negligible.

And that’s why there is negativity.
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Jezza Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #107

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It’s a Win/Loss business. If at the start of the year, we hadn’t blooded 4 youngsters, and still only won 4 games, would the white noise have gotten louder. Given our wins have come against much more experienced sides, surely bodes well for the future. The article by Bluey has a lot of merit. We’ll likely debut another young bloke this week, and give Crowden a rest, and we’ll be up against a very experienced side who reckon they’re also on a rebuild. That’s balony. LDU who they drafted last year, is currently on the sidelines. I haven’t done the numbers but there’ll be at least 500+ plus games of experience between the 2 sides, when they run out on Sunday. For the record, there was 800+ games difference between Sydney and us last week. Sides who used the “ we’re a young side” get out clause is having a laugh. Young as in age or young as in number of games played. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Then when I heard an interview by Gaff about their win and said it was a credit to their young team, I call bulltish. They fielded a side with 2400+ games under them compared to Rich 2300+ games. We’re hovering around the 1800 games of experience every week. In RD 9, the Suns fielded the youngest team with 1650+ games. Carlton fielded a more experienced team than us (1842 games) around 1895 games. That’s the real story.
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KingKepler Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #108

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500 more games of experience per team works out to be about 25 more games per player on average.

So this is the primary reason for a team getting 12 goal thrashings vs 50 point wins and being at the top of the ladder?

I would say it is a factor and having 3 first year players in our lineup means our consistency is not always there. But I don’t agree to say it is an acceptable reason or excuse for scoring 40 or less points in a game of footy.

It’s not the reason we are copping beltings when we travel away. Last year we had a more experienced team playing and we were belted by 100 points plus on a number of occasions.

It is more to do with the way we play particularly against reasonable opposition that is able to take advantage of our obvious deficiencies.

I don’t care if we field 10 first year players we should still be able to score more than 40 points in a game.

Vs Port 4.3 in the second half

Vs GWS 2.7 in the second half

Vs Richmond 4.9 for the whole game

Vs Sydney 2.9 after 3 quarters

From these 4 games we have scored less than 20 points in a half on 3 occasions

Less than 10 points in a quarter on 8 occasions

But that’s fine let’s stick to the ‘narrative’ whatever that means
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Drubbing Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #109

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Age and experience - crap bull and bolox. Looks at the i50s we had last weekend. Look at the scores we got out of them.

We were up with Sydney with almost all the stats, better than with some of them. As has been the case for the last 3-4 years, we butcher it in the 50, because there'sno decent strategy for good delivery.

That is coming from a coach with more age and expereince than most other coaches out there.. Don't sell me on the youth myth.
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Jezza Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #110

Jezza
Well I ain’t buying the crap that the coach can’t coach. Do you blokes actually watch other games other than Freo. Clarkson’s tactics last week against Lions, was bombing the ball nice and high, and they’ve got 2 guns in Gunston and Roughy to clunk them. He apparently is on a rebuild too. I’m backing Roly to bring us Silverware, unless he decides to walk before the start of next season, in which case we’re doomed. And you blokes can start grinding your axe for the next messiah.
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Raglan Matt Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #111

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Great tactics Jezza, they got flogged
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Jezza Freo To Make The Eight? 5 years 11 months ago #112

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That’s my point, 18 other clubs do it. Gunston is a great lead up forward, so is Roughy and others. They’ve also got 8 premierships between them. Perhaps they got Clarko’s message wrong. The target on Roly’s back will only get bigger if we don’t make the 8, and the alternative will not be rosy as some might think.
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