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Jezza B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #29

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I applaud the sanctions handed down by the club. The demotion from the leadership group would have been hard to swallow. A ban of 1 AFL game is acceptable. If you’re worried about whether it’s sufficient, look no further than Richmond. Dustin Martin and the chop stick affair went unpunished. I can rattled off a few more AFL players who have sinned and a few Hail Marys, they’ve moved on. The false name was dumb but maybe young Hilly isn’t a bright kid. Plus it’s all about winning games of football. Hilly playing helps us do that. And blokes like Blakely, Cox, Ryan aren’t 3 x premiership player. Just saying.
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thecheg B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #30

thecheg
Wish Free-doh was still a contributor to this site. I'd like know if we top the ladder for player indiscretions over the past five years.
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moptop B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #31

moptop
If he had any sense of history he'd have said he was Daniel Kerr.
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Bizkit B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #32

Bizkit
You speak like an eagle Jezza. Win at all cost footy is what the OOFTIT's did in the 2000's for their premiership and not only tainted the era but ruined their club. Letting Hill off because he's good and will win us games of footy is a horrible standard to set, especially to the youngsters in the side but also to the fans like yourself who have bought into this administrations OOFTIT Lite message.

What other clubs do is not the point and you could find tonnes of examples that support either side of the argument. It's not their policies or their standards we're talking about. It's the standards set last year by our club, suspending kids for minor problems that should have been sorted in doors with a stern talking to. If going for a surf when given time off or having a beer the day after a game are hang-able offences, drinking when injured, trying to break into a pub, lying to the police and not informing the club is far, far worse. When you take into account he is a senior member of the side and in the leadership group, you have to take a tough stance and the club's chosen not to in a complete turn around from last season.

Hill being dropped from the huge leadership group means nothing as indicated by A Pearce this afternoon, already talking about Brad being brought back in next season. It's all just rubbish and spin from the club, no different to what we've heard in response to RL's Xmas 'incident'. It's not good enough.
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Corporal Agarn B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #33

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Plus it’s all about winning games of football. Hilly playing helps us do that. And blokes like Blakely, Cox, Ryan aren’t 3 x premiership player. Just saying.

I find that very worrying. If that's a prequisite for a sporting team or any situation actually and you're happy to accept that then it's no wonder our society is changing.

Dishonesty, lack of scruples, deceit, double standards, etc doesn't sit well with me. It smacks terribly of the way Meth Coast dealt with their druggy saga.
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Raglan Matt B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #34

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Don't hang Hill, just because the club got it wrong with their over reactions last year. Sure he did the wrong thing, and giving him a 1 game suspension plus booting him from the leadership group is enough. Carrying on about him committing a criminal offence so he should be kicked out of the club is another over reaction. He has made the same stuff up that many of us have made on our weekend away from work, but not many of those throwing the stones would expect to be given time off work with no pay. As for the bouncers, they don't have to try very hard to antagonize the public into reactions.
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FDB B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #35

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Another way of looking at it (i.e. penalties for going surfing vs drinking and jumping and lying to the cops) is that the club realised it was too harsh on the former.

Oh wait. That would require a club capable of assessing its own mistakes and correcting them. As you were.
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shane B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #36

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The problem is that they set a standard for bullying kids and ne'er-do-wells into toeing the line. It wasn't intended for Brad Hill. So they cobbled together a list of penalties to put on the news.

Fremantle don't do the middle ground well.
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Docker by the Sea B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #37

Docker by the Sea
I disagree that being removed from the leadership group isn’t a worthy punishment.
I think players work very hard at what they do and a lot of what they do is built around the respect they gain from this. I personally believe that most would take no small amount of pride from being placed in this position. To have this removed could very well mean more to the individual, and also punish the rest of the playing group less than missing games.
Without being ithin the walls of the club it is hard to say but all the media I have seen would indicate he is a hard worker and committed to the club. If this is the case and he continues with those attributes without breaking team rules, I don’t see why he couldn’t rejoin leadership group.
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Bizkit B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #38

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AT no point RM did I or anyone else suggest an appropriate punishment. To say "Carrying on about him committing a criminal offence so he should be kicked out of the club is another over reaction" is not at all the case. If I were to hazard a guess, something like 2/3 games in the WAFL would have been more in line with their standards, show the playing group how badly you want to make up for letting them down by going back and performing at Peel before you earn your way into the side. I would have accepted that although wouldn't mind another couple of weeks for the extra misdemeanors.

Blaming the bouncers doesn't work and is no excuse for a public figure who should know better. A leader shouldn't be in that sort of position let alone make the choices he did, those are the actions of a kid. It tells me he shouldn't be in the leadership group despite how popular he may be. It's great if he's a larrikin and can influence the playing group in a positive way but there are other responsibilities for leaders that he needs to take on board and hasn't.

The point made by Shane is what I'm focused on though, if we were so harsh on kids last year for doing minor things that didn't need to be brought to the attention of the public let alone punished publicly, why have we dished out pretty much the same punishment for a far worse incident now? That doesn't make sense unless you have very different rules for different players. That's a recipe for disaster.
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Hamihill B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #39

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Considering he hails from a club that won’t rub you out for drink driving but will for missing training he might feel he has been hard done by.
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blockerhall B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #40

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Hey teasea, according to the peeaargh rumour file he gave the name George Doig.
Funny, but not as funny as it could have been, Daniel Kerr was a walk up start.
Fine work getting ne'er-do-wells up on the internet somewhere other than the wikidictionary, Shane.
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Quasimodo B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #41

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I reckon they were way too harsh on Blakey. They ere too harsh on Ryan and Cox but all seem to have put it behind them and are playing ok, in Ryan and Blakelys cases very well. So perhaps it was a learning experience fir them and nipped things in the bud.

Now to Hill he is an experienced player who played in a premiership team 3 times so he knows the standard that has to be set to be successful. Seems he stuffed up I am sure he will learn from it, losing his spot on the leadership group is a big punishment, it is a public shaming, the fine he will live with. The one week completes the message without unduly hurting the club by having him unavailable for an extended period.

Overall I think i was the right approach, but I agree previous punishments on junior players may have been too harsh.
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Morgan B Hill 5 years 11 months ago #42

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It was probably a rounding error. The kids truancy warranted a 0.5 game suspension, and Hill warranted a demotion plus a 1.5 game suspension.
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