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TOPIC: Ross

guy smiley Ross 5 years 11 months ago #337

guy smiley
Actually, there are some published accounts of what cause this in the press, it's just not in the WA press. You can read several articles about this case behind a paywall on a News.com site.

It's not pretty reading. Writing this off as 'handwringing' is sadly short of the mark. Wiz33's post nails a worrying aspect to this case.. the club have effectively challenged anyone to come forward if they have a complaint and the reason this has all boiled over is the family of the lady involved are unhappy with the way the complaint was dealt with, not just at Freo but by the so called Integrity Unit. That's in the press.

So what we're dealing with seems to be bullying and intimidation on top of inappropriate behaviour and it goes to the top because it's all been ok'd by Top Men everywhere. No wonder a complaint was withdrawn... given the choice, I reckon I'd chose to go public rather than trust them to do the right thing...

and if someone did feel that way and was waiting to see what the club would do then today might have left them feeling let down.
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Dockermus Ross 5 years 11 months ago #338

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It was stressed, more than once, at today's press conference that the complainant requested anonymity. And that was agreed to. By all involved.
So when Basil or whoever asks "why won't you tell us what happened, Ross?" The answer is always going to be the same. "No. I can't, because..."
I wouldn't call that stonewalling.
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guy smiley Ross 5 years 11 months ago #339

guy smiley
The best spin I can see being put on this, the very best spin you could manage in these days of #metoo and headlines about abuses of power in church and business, the best spin I could throw at this is that the coach is a leery sleazebag who made a simple honest mistake of going somewhere totally inappropriate with a younger female staffer...

and that's horrible.
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Morgan Ross 5 years 11 months ago #340

Morgan
There are a lot of people convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that the club has handled this appallingly. Personally, I wouldn’t bet against it. But it’s less clear to me what the club should have done, and without knowing the facts I’m not sure I’m comfortable getting the pitchfork out. Likewise, I can’t really say I feel like defending the club. I’ve been uncomfortable with the way they have handled other business lately so my gut tells me things are awry. Worse, in so many of these types of instances even though I consider the instinct of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ to come from the right place, it’s so often the victim who comes off worse while the perpetrator gets to comfortably more on with their lives. Things are always manifestly weighted in favour of the people in power. Does that mean that we should throw the benefit of the doubt out the window? I really don’t know.

Let’s assume the reporting by the Herald Sun is accurate - notwithstanding that assuming a story in a Murdoch tabloid based on unsubstantiated rumours is already an uncomfortable place to start. But, let’s say it is and:

i. Lyon had a few too many drinks at the Christmas party (media reports have called the Christmas Party boozy, which seems kinda superfluous).
ii. Lyon said the gross thing about ‘budding boobs’ to a young woman. For the record: ew.
iii. The young woman was rightfully appalled, and it made her continued employment with FFC untenable.
iv. The young woman – and possibly another person – lodged a complaint with the club.

What do you do at that point? Do you sack Lyon straight up? I’m not an employment law expert, I don’t know FFC’s policies or Lyon’s employment contract. But my guess is you’d at least need to do an investigation first. Which I think FFC did.

So, let’s say there’s an investigation and it finds Lyon was acting like a creep the night of the Christmas Party. Again, speculation at this point, but let’s assume it was true.

So, what happens now? Is saying something inappropriate at a Christmas party a sackable offence? If it wasn’t part of a pattern of behaviour, then my guess is that it’s doubtful. Does FFC have an ethical obligation to sack Lyon on the basis of one incident? Maybe, I’m not sure. In the circumstances where the law and ethics are unclear, it seems like FFC would have an obligation to mediate. Which it sounds like they did.

The parties came to a resolution, the matter was legally settled, and the an NDA was executed.

From there, it gets fuzzy.

• Did others at the club act inappropriately to the woman in the interim?
• Did the club pressure the woman into the settlement and the NDA?
• Was the sum a ‘low five figure’ sum as first reported, or a six figure sum as subsequently reported? On one level it doesn’t matter, but perhaps it speaks to the magnitude of the behaviour of Lyon or the club (no not)?
• Somewhere in there the AFL had a look and didn’t take action. Did they do their job properly?
• Somewhere along the line it seems the victim was unhappy with the way it all played out. Was she unhappy at the time she accepted the settlement, or did it bubble up to the surface later?

I’m not sure any of these things are clear.

The club has investigated and taken action (or not), the AFL has investigated and not take action, legally the matter has been dealt with. Lyon doesn’t want to quit. You’re on the Board. What do you advise?
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blockerhall Ross 5 years 11 months ago #341

blockerhall
RL in his own words, 2011

4.40. "... I sit here, very comfortable, with my integrity, my honour..."

Like it means something to the guy. Just words as a means to an end to him. Two years later you won't be wanting to hear words associated with his integrity and honour. I'm telling you that the club has a tiger by the tail and is losing.

The timing was everything, we had just lost the GF and the myth of Ross was then all-powerful. The club tried to make it go away. OK, we get that, protecting its interests. But it was a shit job, protecting a shit bloke. This is not the sort of leader of men you want in any job. His dream job is to be an investment banker, let me remind you.

But to then not have that coach answerable to and on the shortest leash ever is an extreme failure of management. And to let him have his head and give that sort of contract extension against that backdrop is inexcusable. No wonder we see the wagons circled up and defiant language. Other jobs are on the line!
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guy smiley Ross 5 years 11 months ago #342

guy smiley
To answer your question Morgan...

(sorry Shane)

the club's rich enough now. I'd pay him out and put Suma in until season end. If he goes alright, he's on for three years. If he doesn't you've got time to canvas the field and find someone else and he gets that on his resume. The upside is he's a Freo person who can unite the club while drawing on the heritage of Freo footy and he's an ex West Coast champion so the local media would fall over themselves trying not to choke on their won shoelaces, so to speak.

I'd be looking at a new CEO even faster.
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Morgan Ross 5 years 11 months ago #343

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If money or the law wasn't an issue, I'd do that too Guy (although maybe not Sumich). But unfortunately those things exist, and the Board needs to consider them.

If Freo and the AFL both have determined Lyon has no further case to answer and you sacked Lyon anyway, you'd be down $2.5 million for the rest of Lyon's contract, plus whatever Sumich costs, plus whatever Lyon sues the club for ending his career (let's say he has 5 years left in him at $1 million a season).

Even for an AFL club, $10 million is a significant amount of money. I'd need some better evidence of impropriety before bankrupting the club than unnamed sources in the Herald Sun.

Edit: For what it's worth, I reckon I'd be going down the new CEO path. If they find out things are awry - as many suspect - it would be much easier for them to make any necessary coaching changes. If they find out this is mostly a media beat-up, we'd have a little more confidence that was the case, and not that they were covering their own position.
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Dr Sleep Ross 5 years 11 months ago #344

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integrity is a pretty key word here.

I have always held Freo to a higher standard than the rest of the AFL because it is my club. We have had some stumbles in the past but (whether by choice or media scrutiny) we have dealt with them with a level of transparency that has enabled me to hold my head high and say that the club has integrity (again I acknowledge some stumbles and misjudgements along the way). The club was accountable for its actions and the actions of our players. ‘Looking the coach in the eye’ did not cut it at my club.

Can I honestly claim that integrity now? That’s what upsets me in regards to all this (Notwithstanding the health and well being of the clubs staff). If we choose not to face this head on with a level of transparency and integrity...... then what separates us from the mob down the road? Too many willing to look the other way there and look what that did to some of their employees. This isn’t a nothing more to see here situation. This is an uncover and address situation.

Integrity.
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fradonjan Ross 5 years 11 months ago #345

fradonjan
the fat lady has one leg out the door ,BUT,how is she getting the other one out to go home and put herself to bed?
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purplethai Ross 5 years 11 months ago #346

purplethai
Es war eine Stunde, ist das Bier gut? Snail
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Raglan Matt Ross 5 years 11 months ago #347

Raglan Matt
While I am not happy with the way Freo have handled this whole schamozle, and I do think Rosich and Lyon have to fall face first on their swords over it, what I do not understand is how the AwFL "integrity unit" seems to be getting off scot free over this. If they had done their job properly, we would have known what happened at the time, and Lyon would have either been cleared or sacked there and then.

So while Lyon is a tool, it is the CEO, Rosich, and the AFL Integrity Unit who have facilitated the mess we now find ourselves in.
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Derby12 Ross 5 years 11 months ago #348

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There are some really interesting points out of al this.

1. If the coach is so precious to you that you can't bear to hear criticism of him, then you may be over invested in the person. I'd suggest moving to another organised religion that holds a similar outlook to issue of this nature - say the Catholic Church. There are some obvious issues with that institution, but I am sure you'd be willing to overlook them. And it's easy to ignore all that stuff if you cover your ears and sing loudly.

2. Austin Robertson is a dinosaur from another era, and in that era, he was part of an overtly masculine homophobic industry (football). He also worked for WSC and managed Warnie. Make of that what you will. Why would his comments have any relevance to a discussion of acceptable workplace practice in the modern era?

3. If the comments and behaviour were so insignificant, why was any payout made at all? Let alone the purported 6 figure sum. Even 5 figures shows a level of concern beyond a mere quip.

4. Anyone who thinks even - and on its own - the comment reported is acceptable from anyone to anyone in the workplace - let alone the person who is supposed to be setting the standards for integrity and respect in the organisation - is mistaken. I have worked in small business and government and I can tell you that a comment like that would be performance management, formal interview, and a good way down the path to dismissal in every workplace I have ever been in.

5. Why don't FFC contact the person in question and enter into another round of externally managed (and by externally, I mean NOT connected with football or the AFL), confidential conciliation/counselling session between her, the club and key figures in the incident. And then hold a presser stating that they have been back in contact with that person, and have demonstrated to her satisfaction that they have enacted cultural and policy change, and that the person who made the remarks has demonstrated a change in attitude and behaviour, to her satisfaction. ie progress and resolution rather than continued stonewalling and denial.
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Corporal Agarn Ross 5 years 11 months ago #349

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ii. Lyon said the gross thing about ‘budding boobs’ to a young woman. For the record: ew

That seems a very specific, and gross, term to just pull out of thin air. But no matter what it was it's driven a young girl from her workplace through no fault of her own.

I'm of a not dissimilar age to Lyon and yes I've had some boozy nights but I've never done or said anything like that. Maybe some of you defending him have?

Yes it's been reported to the AFL and now we conveniently can't say anything and we're following the correct protocols, etc. That doesn't mean it's all good surely, does it? You don't pay someone out to keep quiet if you haven't done anything wrong.

I can understand why she didn't want to, but I would like the young girl and her family to have spoken out because the whole incident has sullied my belief in the coach and people in charge. Please don't use words and phrases like integrity and, what we stand for anymore because this has shown that it's not much.

And if you're in the belief that nothing and no-one has been wronged and that it's all been dealt with appropriately then it would be obvious that you would be happy for your daughter to have been in that situation.
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larkin Ross 5 years 11 months ago #350

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I asked a woman is she was pregnant. Guys, never ask a woman if she is pregnant.
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