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TOPIC: Stadium surface is the culprit

Morgan Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 22 hours ago #29

Morgan
Fair enough. I admire your confidence in the AFL to adequately and accurately set the parameters of what is safe and not safe, in no way err on the side on ensuring games go ahead rather than be cancelled.

I also admire your rejection of suppositions when it comes to the AFL's processes and decision-making, and look forward to that continuing in other aspects of football messageboard conjecture.
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Suker Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 22 hours ago #30

Suker
Be interesting to know how they test the surface. Is it just a penetrometer to test the compaction or is it more complex? Do they just test the surface, as in the bounciness of the grass etc? Any turf nuts out there?
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shane Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 22 hours ago #31

shane
You're welcome to enlighten me on how they're wrong.

If the AFL say the game starts at 2:40pm I'm not going to show up at 12pm because you reckon they can't be trusted.
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The_Yeti Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 22 hours ago #32

The_Yeti
Has there actually been any evidence at all that the ground is too hard?

No, I'm not talking about sooking from the slime because we would get that even if they played on fairy down but actual evidence based on some kind of science based benchmark.

I'm funny that way. I'm often coming to the conclusion that in the absence of verifiable, quantifiable and indisputable evidence then its probably a case of not guilty. Putting it down the the ground being 'too hard' because you have a couple of soft tissue injuries early in the season in the complete absence of evidence to support that contention is a little hard to accept at face value.

Besides, the bastards have form....
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pollyanna Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 22 hours ago #33

pollyanna
Does that bouncey castle race thing the Slime use have a spongey floor? Might be a factor for them if it does.
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Raglan Matt Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 21 hours ago #34

Raglan Matt
Maybe it's the regular jumping of the fence into the carpark that is causing their problems. Maybe they should get some of that cushion stuff used in kindergarten playgrounds to ease the shockload.
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Morgan Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 21 hours ago #35

Morgan
I consider relying on data a perfectly cromulent way to made decisions, but no-one on here knows what that data is, how it's calculated, where on the spectrum Perth Stadium is and whether that spectrum is accurate. Even the clubs and the stadium operators seem to be on a different page about that.

What we do know is that coaches and players from a number of teams and codes have commented on how hard the ground is, for very little gain. When a group of elite athletes whose careers could be affected by the standard of the grounds they play on speak up, it would be foolish to ignore them.

Freo are one of the only clubs not to mention it, but it would be fair to say that for the better part of a decade the club has pursued an approach of acquiecence when it comes to the AFL - or just about anyone.

To suggest that either there is no issue or the players are soft based on the unseen data from the stadium operators and AFL might be a perfectly reasonable position to take if the AFL didn't have history on this front. On their data Dockland's surface has always been within the acceptable range for AFL stadia. Anyone who watched AFL football there in the early 2000s knows that was bunkum.

It's reasonable to suggest that the data or range within it is acceptable might not be unassailable when it conflicts with the players' accounts.
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rogerrocks Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 20 hours ago #36

rogerrocks
With Docklands, I believe the problem was that the concrete below the surface wasn't strong enough to support the amount of soil needed to have a decent footy surface. That is, it was a design mistake.
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The_Yeti Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 20 hours ago #37

The_Yeti
All you needed to say Morgan is that there no data available (in the public sphere) that accurately measures whether the ground is too hard or isn't.

When you say a number of teams, I'm counting precisely 2. The slime, who are professional whiners and Sydney, who didn't mention the ground until 3 weeks after they played on it. Freo has played there more than anyone and yet, it seems not to be a problem for them.

It seems that its an allegation without even a suggestion of merit when you consider the lack of evidence on which to base that allegation.
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shane Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 20 hours ago #38

shane
That's just nonsense. This is what you're doing here.

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The_Yeti Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 20 hours ago #39

The_Yeti
I'd never seen that before, Shane.

Thats a long winded way of failing to make any salient point
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pollyanna Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 20 hours ago #40

pollyanna
Alan Jones yelled out the point Yeti - it was the only section of the bridge the schoolteacher didn't paint.

Wasn't there a long held complaint that Freo oval was too hard? The women didn't complain did they - what a rugged bunch. But if that's the case, why not get the same measurement guy to check out the Colindome surface?
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The_Yeti Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 20 hours ago #41

The_Yeti
Bloody school teachers
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Morgan Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 19 hours ago #42

Morgan
Depends which women you’re talking about.

“Collingwood’s AFLW team was so concerned by the firmness of the surface it considered not playing its round two match against Fremantle.”

The NRL types were worried and commented how firm it was, as have a few AFL clubs.

The AFL says there’s work to do and the stadium has banned training at the venue for three weeks.

I don’t understand the reluctance to acknowledge the ground might be a bit hard. Is it just that the Eagles mentioned it?

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