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Crowleymonkeyboy Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 2 days ago #1

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I’d like to talk about medals and naming rights forever, but the excitement of a public holiday has dragged me from the routine crap for a moment. The question I would like to be answered by whomsoever is this: can a bone bruising, bone breaking, ligament tearingly hard surface be recitified within a week?? Any turf experts out there, DLs?
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shane Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 2 days ago #2

shane
I'm not a turf expert but if the actual turf experts say, using science and such, that the ground is the same firmness as the MCG and Fremantle haven't suffered from a string of injuries, then I tend to think the ground isn't at fault.
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Noddy Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 2 days ago #3

Noddy
Interesting to see how the ground is after the mega bike jumping circus thing they had there on Monday?
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LoyalSupporter Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 2 days ago #4

LoyalSupporter
It's a Wet Toast ploy to blame the ground for all their home losses this season
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pollyanna Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 2 days ago #5

pollyanna
The Colindome pr spinners are the same guys as the shark mitigation blokes at WA Tourism. The AwFL just relay on the baloney - same as the led advert sceens (same as those at the MCG) and now the grass mixture (same as everywhere else in the league). They ended up bodging up some cardboard and gaffer tape for the screens and I reckon you'll see patchy yellow sand sprinkled everywhere (from the historic sand pile landscaping at Moss St.).
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Morgan Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #6

Morgan
The scuttlebutt about the stadium tender docs back in the day was that there were substantial liquidated damages written in for deviations in the playing surface, such was the concern for shifting junk under the stadium surface. I'm not sure what mitigations were put in place, but perhaps they just overcorrected.

Or there's nothing wrong with the surface and West Coast are just having a whinge.
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Quasimodo Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #7

Quasimodo
There were severe leg injuries at Subi too. After 5 games on the ground I don’t think there would be enough evidence one way or another.
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DS Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #8

DS
I'm not sure leg injuries is the only KPI being considered. It seems there has been feedback from most sides that players are taking longer to recover after playing at the Colindome and so, because there is a carpark under the ground and Etihad has had similar complaints and has a carpark under the ground, it has been extrapolated that both grounds are/were too hard to play on.

Not sure what was done at Etihad to stop the whingeing but that seems to have abated. Whatever they are doing down at Burswood in response hopefully shuts them all up as well.
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shane Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #9

shane
It's not very scientific though. If you're going to fix the surface then the first thing you need to do is measure how it's broken, not fiddle about with it because of anecdotal evidence.

Sydney complained that their players cramped up more than usual. Maybe it was because it was round 1 and they weren't as fit as they thought they were. It was also the first time they'd left Sydney for the opening round in 8 years.

Fremantle aren't getting injuries and they're winning. So leave it alone.
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Mike Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #10

Mike
I am fairly confident that the ground is like it is by design. From what I have seen of turf management, the science seems to be pretty developed. I like that there has been some anecdotal commentary about the AFL's 'range' of ground hardness - surely this would be something that could be referenced? "The AFL stipulates a minimum of 15 cushions of sponginess, and a maximum of five diamonds of hardness, we designed the ground to be 2 diamonds because..." If you were designing a new stadium, I reckon you'd shoot towards the harder side, because the ball will bounce and run better and that would make the game better to watch. Which I reckon it has been.
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pollyanna Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #11

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I wouldn't be sure that Freo haven't suffered any problems due to the surface - Bradley, Tabener and Jonno have missed time and A Pearce went for scans and has trained away from the main group this week. Over the past few years we've kept pretty quiet about the nature of player injuries - That Other Mob are known for bleating loudly about anything (except internal drug culture of course).

Are the other clubs a bunch of worry warts? Not sure, but I recognise the enormous importance the new stadium management put on negative publicity.
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Montrachet Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #12

Montrachet
Just to clarify; there is not a car park under the parking surface.
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Morgan Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #13

Morgan
No, but a tip underneath means there is a shifting surface. I'm not an engineer, but I understand you can put in pylons to deal with that for most structures, but it's a bit harder with a grass playing surface.

It's possible that whatever they used to ensure the integrity of the surface (eg a concrete slab underneath) made the surface harder the same way it has been argued the carpark under Docklands made it harder.

When Colin was asked whether this this specific issue would be an issue at the time of naming Burswood as his preferred site, his answer along the lines of 'how hard can it be'? Often when people ask that question the answer isn't revealed until years later.
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The_Yeti Stadium surface is the culprit 6 years 1 day ago #14

The_Yeti
Yeah naaah, Morgan, the underlying composition of the ground has nothing to do with it.

There is a substantial layer between the grass and the underlying ground. Based on what was displayed during the construction, there is over a metre of foundation material under the grass. I can't see a single player being heavy enough to cause the grass to shift with a buffer that deep.

Besides, the problem isn't a shifting surface. The problem is apparently the ground is 'too hard'. This despite the fact that turf experts have conducted testing and state it is towards the soft end of the range permitted by the AFL. Softer apparently than Eitihad and there is no problem with ground hardness there.

I think we are looking at moaning without much in the way of scientific evidence to support it. What you have is another 'anti-vaxxer' situation. The science is very clear on the matter but lets all ignore the science and yeah, the ground is too hard.
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