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TOPIC: Hypothetical Coach Trade

Morgan Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #127

Morgan
Yeti, I think your post on your own personal management style is instructive, and I understand a lot more about why you think Lyon is a terrible coach. When you say "the people I delegate tasks to are doing it the way I want it done and if they are not doing that then I'm bringing them into line until they are" that describes a perfectly reasonably way to manage certain teams, but it is not the only way, and depending on the circumstances not necessarily the best way.

Some managers prefer to give the leaders below them the freedom, responsibility and ownership to come up with their own solutions. This is especially the case when those below the ultimate boss have more specialist knowledge. That's not to say the top woman/man doesn't direct them, or work collaboratively with them, or take responsibility if it doesn't work out, but it means giving people freedom to try and fail.

Take a defensive problem. A head coach might say “we’re leaking goals, I want you to instruct the defenders to play 5m in front of their man, with a loose man 10m behind, and for Pearce to play on the deepest forward”. Another coach might say “we're leaking goals, let's talk about how you think we can improve that”. It might mean a different set-up or a different player mix. It might even be the positioning of the midfielders up the ground. Lyon would still be ultimately responsible and have the final say, but the two defensive coaches (Prior and Hayden), head coach and possibly some other line coaches might be involved. All the defensive coaches do all day, every day is look at their own set up, opponent forward lines, how other backlines are structured, run line training sessions and one-to-ones with the defenders to improve that part of the team. Lyon ‘telling them to do it his way’ would be folly because his attention is spread across the whole operation, and so he knows less about that particular component of the game and what is and isn’t working. He has to rely on the knowledge of his assistant coaches, and personally I reckon Roger Hayden would have at least as good a feel for how to defend as a team as Lyon. It would be wise for Lyon to listen to him.

Lyon even let the players have a crack at making some changes. That didn’t go so well, but although this is a bit of a generalisation, if you’ve dealt with highly-competitive millennials you’ll appreciate that you get better buy-in when they feel they are part of the process, not being told by an old fogey like Lyon ‘the way he wants it done’.

You self-describe as a ‘do it the way I want or I’ll bring you into line’ type of leader, and Lyon self-describes as a ‘let the cobblers do the cobbling’ type leader. Obviously no-one will change your mind on which approach is best, but you have to at least acknowledge that there is more than one way to effectively manage a team?

No-one is disagreeing that Lyon as the head coach carries the can, but to assume him to be a one-man band who makes every decision for a modern AFL club is a mode of thinking that’s about 20 years out of date.
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Snail Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #128

Snail
It’s a really weird thing but here it is:
All AFL listed players are skillful otherwise they wouldn’t be a listed player. The link between skills and execution is that magical thing called confidence. You need to have that stuff internally as well as with your teammates and coach/coaches.
Does Roly have the confidence factor - don’t know but I’m confident that he should have!
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Suker Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #129

Suker
Yes, all players are skilled enough to warrant being on a list. But when you see a veteran player coming out of defence and unable to kick on his opposite side, instead choosing a checkside on the run and under pressure, I have to wonder, has anyone ever explained the benefit of being a two sided player? Obviously not. On probably half a mill a year and unable to kick on the other foot? Ridiculous. And most clubs appear to be the same.
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hypen Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #130

hypen
I agree with Morgan.

I feel dirty.
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The_Yeti Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #131

The_Yeti
Well Noddy take it from the horses mouth. Roly has stated he doesn't train skills, he trains effort.

Ballas was also quoted as saying that 'this year' they did 20 minute skills sessions which was a change as they hadn't done that before.

So unless both Roly and Ballas are telling lies or they are both clueless, you would have to take that on face value. or is it a case of we believe the the coach except when he looks bad then we don't.
Egurls Suck!
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The_Yeti Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #132

The_Yeti
Morgan,

you seem to keep wanting derail the essence of a post by alluding to micromanaging. Lets play the ball not the man ok.

When I get people to do tasks I don't sit there watching every move but they are required to follow certain guidelines. ie HR rules, OHS rules etc. If they aren't doing that then they get extra management until they do. How each handles their task is up to them but they have to provide and end product that fits in with our QA system.

That approach isn't going to work when its a head coach with a single game plan that has requirements on all his players. Its no good letting PearceA run off his opponent when the team structure requires him to be at a certain place to help form the zone defence that Roly uses. Your example breaks down right there.

If Roly is going to be that specific and we all know that he is then he'd better get his Ass Coaches to make sure that they aren't doing their own thing. Watch training. Roly is very specific on how things are to be done and his Ass Coaches don't get leeway. There have been times when players have taken the initiative in match simulations such as spotting a free team mate fortward and hitting them only for Roly to stop the simulation, tell them off and point to where he wanted the ball to go. (Usually to a flank)

That is exactly the opposite to what you put up and as you say 20 years out of date. I'm still amazed at the lengths people try to distort things to talk up Roly
Egurls Suck!
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The_Yeti Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #133

The_Yeti
Hypen, I wouldn't be too quick to agree with Morgan, he's got everything backwards.

Read what was actually written, not Morgan's spin
Egurls Suck!
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hypen Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 3 weeks ago #134

hypen
I read him backwards Yeti it's better that way.
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