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TOPIC: Please Don't Change

Bizkit Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #1

Bizkit
Last season we got rid of the lessor lights for the kids after the first couple of rounds and in doing so, opened up games with far more attacking play. We didn't send all our players behind the ball, we didn't look to go backwards and sideways as our first option and we played some decent football.

This season we have decided to do that in half the games but I'm hopeful RL doesn't revert to the older useless style in half the time too. It was a bout 6/7wks before RL had brought back in a lot of the poorer players and instructed everyone to head behind the ball.

We have had a very talented and skillful side for a long while but it has not been left open to run free and attack as it should. This weekend we witnessed a bit of what it can do and as last year when I implored RL maintain the freedom the kids brought to the side, I say the same again. Please let the players run hard and play with freedom, let them attack and create the play like we know they can.
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hypen Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #2

hypen
Having said all that Bizkit just finished watching Hawks v Geelong and neither can win the flag playing that way. Just no defensive focus.

Great to watch though.
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Down on down Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #3

Down on down
Bizkit I don't think there will be any changes, apart from Lyon's attitude. In his media presser at the end of the game he stated " We want to engage, entertain and win". How's that for a turn around. Who would ever think he wanted to play an entertaining brand of football. But if thats what he wants to from now on in, I'm happy.
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Suker Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #4

Suker
I think he meant to say, "We want to win and if we engage (whatever that means) and entertain then all the better."
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Corporal Agarn Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #5

Corporal Agarn
I notice that one of his other common phrases is something along the lines of exposing the kids, etc. Couldn't find a better term Roly?
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guy smiley Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #6

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This seems a good place to say this...

in the Fox build up before the game the other night, they played an excerpt of an interview with RoLy from sometime over the summer. I didn't record it or anything, I was sort of busy getting a bite and all that, but I did catch him talking about various players who got introduced and did well last year and how in the post season review they identified key areas where they were out played or needed to improve.

Basically, it was pretty much along the lines of what a lot of us have been saying in here for some time. Quick ball movement, accuracy, the need to attack and having run from down back. He also made some comment about needing to look after the supporters, something he also said post game.

Watching the game straight after hearing that from him was pretty damn exciting. Whatever happened in the first game aside, what we saw was a much more aggressive game.

That was really encouraging to see. Long may it continue.
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Raglan Matt Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #7

Raglan Matt
Mmmmm, we have seen what we thought was the rising sun of new hope turn out to be the light of the train that is about to hit us too many times in the past to get overexcited about one game.

BUT as true blue Freo supporters, we live on in hope that one day it will truly be the rising sun of a new day.
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Morgan Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #8

Morgan
It was a bout 6/7wks before RL had brought back in a lot of the poorer players and instructed everyone to head behind the ball.


Every year teams across the AFL start the year all guns blazing and scoring is up, then by the mid-point of the season it all regresses back towards tight contested footy. I'm not sure the reason for it. It could be players are the fittest at the start of the season. It could be the change to the surfaces and weather as we head towards winter. It could be that teams work on attacking systems and add new players over the summer, only for the better teams to figure them out after there are a few weeks of game tape.

One explanation is that coaches like Ross Lyon suddenly decide to instruct his players to get behind the ball. I don't put a lot of stock in that explanation.

My best guess is that good teams learn how to take away the attacking options of bad teams, and bad teams don't have the spread of talent to work their way through it. Think about our team last season. How hard would it be as an opposition coach to stop our rebound from the backline? It was basically 'make sure Johnson is accountable, and let any of those other crabs try to hit a target."

So what happens when you can't clear the ball from the backline? Every man and his dog ends up down there. Essendon found that out on Saturday, and spent most of the game with no-one in the forward line. Credit A Pearce for keeping Danniher goalless, but a huge part in that was that he wasn't in the forward 50 much. Most of Essendon's goals came from hurried kicks forward and random stuff leading to goals.

And I would argue very little of that can be explained by Worsfold instructing them to get behind the ball. Certainly that's not how they have played most of their other games. They were forced into that because we worked better and harder at the clearances, we moved the ball quickly from defence, and we either hit the scoreboard or locked it in if we didn't.

Teams are going to find it a lot harder to take our game away from us because we have a few better kicks in the team, and we have some young and exciting players who don't know how to pace themselves. But most young players fade a little during their first year, so I wouldn't be surprised if Lyon gave each of them a rest. I'd expect at that point we'd see some other young guys, but also some of the mid-level blokes everyone on here jumps up and down about. And we'll be worse for it, and we'll likely have stretches where everyone is beyond the ball.

My point, as always, is that people give coaches way too much credit when teams win, and way too much blame when they lose.
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pollyanna Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #9

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They get way too much moola then.
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Morgan Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #10

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So do most executives in businesses. Again, most of those guys (and it's mostly guys) don't know what they are doing either.
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Jezza Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #11

Jezza
It hasn’t changed. We now got the cattle to engage and entertain. Roly took mediocre sides into finals teams. He’s now got picks 2 & 5, and a Chas bloke who can deliver. Plus a HBF the likes of Roger Hayden and an AA Luke Clone who will blanket the best forward. Throw in a couple of premiership players, he could be driving a Ferrari before season’s end.
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The_Yeti Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #12

The_Yeti
Not sure if you'r serious, Morgan.

Generally, the people get paid large sums of money because they make the people paying them even larger sums of money. You can exclude the usual suspects in highly paid government jobs from that but in business, if you're not making a lot, you don't last.

Now coaches, they also work in a business and if they don't attract money (sponsorship) through success (winning games and ultimate success is a flag) If they don't create success then any semi-competent management will move them on because no success means no sponsorship.

Even a complete pack of incompetent d***heads isn't going to fork out 1.2 million per year to a bloke who doesn't do all that much. They will want to see something for their money. The alternative universe has the millionaire boots studders, not this one. If the coach wasn't critical, you'd see coaches on long term contracts getting paid much, much less than the players. You wouldn't see them getting paid more than the teams stars.

Even the Steves would have wanted something more than smarmy press conferences else there would have been no rush to heave Harvey. Roly's not about to get an out here. Its past time he produced and well past time he was accountable.
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Morgan Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #13

Morgan
I agree that if a coach wasn't pulling his weight he would be gone. If he took a team that was winning, then dropped the young players and told the rest to stop attacking, he would be gone. AFL footy clubs are run by people who think they are smarter than everyone, and games are played by ultra-competitive millennials who know that their time to achieve anything in the game is limited. Do you really think if Pav or Fyfe had said 'nah, this bloke can't coach' Lyon would still be there? Do you really think Bond doesn't chat with the assistant coaches? Do you really think that other AFL head coaches don't have a sense for how good their opposition coaches are and that the footy community doesn't know these things?

One explanation is that Lyon is a charlatan, everyone at the Freo footy club is an idiot, no-one speaks to anyone and that he's holding the players back. The other is that he's at least a decent coach, and for the last two years he hasn't had the cattle.

But either way, I just don't buy the explanation that we suck because Lyon instructs our players to sit in one half of the field.
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Jezza Please Don't Change 6 years 1 month ago #14

Jezza
Coaches who can’t coach don’t last in the AFL. Especially one who’s never won a premiership. Lyon is on most clubs radar. Most would disagree but I’m glad he’s here to finish a job.
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