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TOPIC: Forward Structure

ICONDOCKER Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #15

ICONDOCKER
The good thing about this simple forward structure is that it is how the AFL want it played, it would be encouraged and umpired accordingly.
I didn’t see Collingwood play but I read they are going against the current trend by playing talls instead of smalls.
Bucks maybe regarded as a crab of a coach by some but it would seem he is open to new ideas.
I recall they played a novel forward structure against us last year?
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Walter the baker Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #16

Walter the baker
Are we over hyping our playing stocks? Based on 2017, Ballas, Kersten, Tabs and McCarthy would struggle to get a game with any top eight team. To suggest that they could be “unbeatable” with the right forward structure is taking positive thinking into uncharted waters.
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Morgan Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #17

Morgan
I know sometimes I struggle to convey tone in writing, but I was mostly being facetious. If we played like Sydney we'd get smashed. It's amazing how good even a simple game plan will look when you have elite talent in the forward line. For Clive's sake, Woosha won a premiership as a coach playing man-on-man 10 years after the game had passed that by. He had such a buffer with the midfield talent at his disposal that it covered for his lack of imagination.

We don't have a marquee tall anchor like Franklin, Kennedy, Cameron, Daniher, Rewoldt, Lynch, or Hogan. We don't have interchangeable and flexible talks like Port.

The margin for error is so thin, that if you're untidy with the kick 80m out from goal, then you really have very little chance of scoring a goal. That's what happened on Saturday. I reckon we can turn that around a bit.

I think the structure thing is a bit overblown. Elite forwards have the instinct to know where to be to kick a goal. They have the gravitas to demand it. Coaches have the confidence to let them go one-on-one.

The only player I'd like to see get repeated one-on-ones is Fyfe when he's matched up on a midfielder, and CamMac when he has a glint in his eye. Everyone else would get picked off pretty handily.
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pollyanna Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #18

pollyanna
Well, that Fijian (that's always in the news) only played half a game and racked up better numbers than Fyfe. You're going nowhere in a hurry when that happens - logic goes out the window as quickly as Brownlow odds/hype.
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Suker Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #19

Suker
Forward structure? Bomb it forward pack...that was our forward structure. No one creating space for anyone. No dummy leads creating space. No thought going forward and no understanding between the forwards or between forwards and mids or half backs delivering into forward half. What forward structure? We didn't have one...We got away with it against canaries but that was because they were absolute shite.
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guy smiley Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #20

guy smiley
It's a bit sad really, when you're attacking a supposed lack of structure using the example of a team that at times had no-one

at all

in its forward line.

Have a think about that. Sydney are so good, and Freo under Lyon are so bad, that Sydney can point the way using an invisible forward line.

I'm gonna sit back here and give a nice old one handed clap for that.

They didn't have anyone home because like every other team, everyone is chasing the ball hard. Freo do the same. Cam Mac was popping up around what used to be called the half back line.

Where Freo fall down is having enough speed on the rebound to get numbers in support for attacking and having the skills to move the ball with speed and accuracy. That's been the story since about 3/4 time in the 2013 GF. The ball is just hacked forward... well, it isn't but it starts to look and feel that way when you're methodically tearing your eyes out slowly to save the pain of watching anymore. You can carry on all you like about forward structure but the ball has to get there in usable fashion and it just doesn't under RoLy.

If he could actually turn that around then you'd see some exciting football in the Chevron Blues. It's not out of the question, either. I've drawn up a quick flow chart to show how it might work...

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Suker Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #21

Suker
That is a decidedly more simple method than what is being attempted by our forward coaches. My mouth eventually closed after my mouth got too dry...
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guy smiley Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #22

guy smiley
Once you unprison your think rhino you're well on the way to itselfness.
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thegeniusthatis Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #23

thegeniusthatis
Do you reckon Ross has all the magnetic names in their correct positions, but by the time he gets out on the park they've all slid down into the defensive 50, and everyone is too scared to tell Ross in case he gives them crazy eyes and starts talking about cobblers and Guy's whiteboard?
Oh, and please don't less Ross see that, Guy. Things are bad enough with the slidey whiteboard.
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purplepower Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #24

purplepower
Confusion
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Blue1red1 Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #25

Blue1red1
The reason the forwards are not functioning well in the forward line is because they are used to playing with the backs.

Maybe we can get Ross to put a defender in the Forward 50 who can knacker the clown trying to slow Tabs down.
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Drubbing Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #26

Drubbing
The way I see it is Lyon teams don't don't tend to go with a fixed forward line. He's still stuck on the 'attack is built around defence' idea. So your HF and F lines are always pushing up to create pressure around the ball. Which they mostly don't win. And if they do, there's no one to kick it too. When we do have blokes in the forward line, they get the long bomb. Our goals to i50 ratio will tell how that sucks.

Sure, good teams do this sometimes too, footy is a fast and unpredictable game. They right the ship with maintaining possession and aim to take control of the game. We suck at that too, because skills don't seem to be part of the training regime.

Seems Lyon is still trying to play Rolyball13 without the rotations required to keep the pressure up. It hasn't worked in 5 years. Is the brick wall too soft or something?

None of us here are coaches, but plenty see the same issues. If people who care enough to watch footy closely can see this, why can't the bloke who's paid extra large to do this gig full time? Is Lyon's genius too deep for us troggs to understand?
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rogerrocks Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #27

rogerrocks
I want Tabs isolated one on one because he is a genuinely great mark in that situation. Better than Fyfe. But Tabs is easily bustled out of it in a pack. But like so many things, you can't build a game on going to Tabs. You need to adapt so that when they start to worry about Tabs and double team him, you immediately go to Fyfe. The opposition have to be constantly trying to put out fires, and given we don't have a Buddy, the only way we can achieve that is through variety. And to generate variety your midfield have to be on top so that they can actually think about that last pass into the forward line rather than bang it on the boot under pressure. And our midfield is not on top yet.
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mac Forward Structure 6 years 1 month ago #28

mac
The first game was a reflection on last year. Bad delivery into the forward line to guys who can't make a bad situation a good. Is it because we don't have the numbers in the forward zone as they are more concerned to protect the zone at the back. And because their forwards are supported by more support and more options, our players are still at Lyons auskick ropes. ( wikipedia zoning mid 2005 )
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