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TOPIC: Skills

Morgan Skills 6 years 1 month ago #15

Morgan
I don't think that's true yeti, and the closest I can get to objectively proving it is that last offseason I posted a survey about offseason objectives, and with respect to where our club should focus training on the offseason, this was the response:

Q10. Although this might not strictly be within Bond’s remit, Dockerlanders were all over the place for what should be Freo’s focus over the offseason, with fitness, skills and a more attacking game plan all gathering about a third of the votes each. My interpretation is that there is a general understanding that we are crap at everything, which seems fair.

For every person who thinks we should spend more time on skills, there's one person who thinks we should spend it on devising a more attacking game plan, and another who thinks our fitness lets us down.

You might be in the correct third yeti (you've got at least a 33% chance, right?) but to say it's obvious to everyone except Lyon seems to me to be objectively untrue.
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The_Yeti Skills 6 years 1 month ago #16

The_Yeti
Again I disagree.

The players don't develop a more attacking game plan during their training hours, thats something the coaches do outside of the player's training hours.

Also your comments are predicated on training time being spent on a single objective at a timeie fitness, skills, game plan. that is fundamentally incorrect. Players need to be concentrating on multiple facets at all times.

Practicing skills also includes building the correct fitness. Practicing set plays involves building fitness, using applicable skills and practicing them so that set plays actually work instead breaking down with an errant hand ball or kick and turning the ball over.

Yes its nice to see Roly has finally identified skills as an issue to work on but I'm not about to give gushing praise to somebody who finally admits to the bleeding obvious. My reaction is "it's about bloody time"
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Morgan Skills 6 years 1 month ago #17

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I'm not an expert in training elite athletes, but I agree yeti, most training sessions would contain elements of all of these things. Match simulations, for example, incorporate everything but on a smaller scale and with fewer variables. Which is why I never really bought into the 'we're not training skills enough' philosophy, because other than in pre-season running, it always looked to me that the players had a football in their hand.

Take even the 'warm-up' on game day. Ostensibly that is to get the players ready for the game, but it takes the form of some running, some skills, and some general rough-housing. Spend more time on one of those, you lose some of the benefits of the others. We seem to spend a bit of time on that one where the player runs, picks up the bouncing ball, handballs it, then bumps some guy on the way through. That contains elements of all three. That seems like a good idea to me. If the coach said: we'll spend more time just standing in a circle handballing, it would be fair to suggest we're missing out on some other elements.

But it sounds like we've actually set aside more time at training for focussing on base-level skills like handling, picking the ball up, marking etc, without the distraction of other facets. That might be exactly what is needed, but it does likely come at the expense of something else. Hopefully that something else is something less important.

But I'm all for it. Hopefully it works. If it doesn't I'm sure we'll here all about how the players are too tired to execute their skills.
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Drubbing Skills 6 years 1 month ago #18

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An attacking game plan is nothing without the requisite skills to maintain possession. That's running, making space, and hitting those target by hand and foot. An area Freo have been lacking for a long time, even with skilled players - which suggests an issue with the plan and its communication as well.

Outsourcing this fundamental part of building a team is one thing - it may help it may not. Taking this long in his career as a coach to try something a bit different, and then only giving minimal time into it, still raises questions about his approach to coaching.
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pollyanna Skills 6 years 1 month ago #19

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It's simple - if you don't know ask someone who does. Gleeson knows, RoLy doesn't.

I think the correct expression is: Get out of the way so the dog can see the rabbit.
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Morgan Skills 6 years 1 month ago #20

Morgan
It has to be said that most Wildcats fans I know - myself included - don’t really rate Gleeson as a coach.
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shane Skills 6 years 1 month ago #21

shane
So we're taking advice from a dud basketball coach?
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The_Yeti Skills 6 years 1 month ago #22

The_Yeti
Not only are we taking advice from a 'dud basketball coach' but apparently Roly should be applauded for being flexible and open to new ideas by taking advice from the 'dud coach'.

I mean just because its an idea thats been around for years doesn't mean it shouldn't be regarded as new now that Roly's started to catch up.


As for Gleeson not being a good coach, well he doesn't have a terrific record, does he? I mean he's only won 3 championships out of 5 years a coach of the Wildcats. 60% success rate compared to Roly's premiership record of....oh wait....did I say this bit out loud?


ooh look a bear.....
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Raglan Matt Skills 6 years 1 month ago #23

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How many Wildcats fans, including yourself, do you know, Morgan? Ask them who has provided the impetus for the Wildcats to play finals every season since Mike Ellis was in nappies, that's the fella we need.

As for skills training, even as bush footy players we had it drummed into us "Do your skills training at 100% effort and get fit like that, or do your skills training at 40% effort and then we will get fit after training finishes. The hard way" It translates as training should be based on skills, and you should work hard enough to get fit doing that training. Too many bloody sports scientists and the rest trying to prove they are worth their pay these days and they are taking the focus away from the footy. Go and watch the Wildcats train during the season and I bet 99% of the time they are doing skills training at full bore effort. The time to get fit through running and gym is in the pre season.
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guy smiley Skills 6 years 1 month ago #24

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So last year or the year before, I lose track of the spin, RoLy spent the summer in a lounge chair relaxing by the pool and this year the players have really stepped up the skills training.

They're just phoning it in. It's probably a sort of in house competition to see what crazy theme they can feed the masses with while they get on with managing the spreadsheets and the investment strategy.
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rogerrocks Skills 6 years 1 month ago #25

rogerrocks
I think your wrong Morgan. From my own series of informal surveys at Subi oval last year I concluded that fans want the players to:
i) Just kick the bloody thing!
ii) Kick it long!
The idea that you execute the kick well and it goes to a teammate is not usually mentioned.
The fans have a strong aversion to going sideways, and especially to handballing in defence. This is manifest by a gradually rising hubbub finally punctuated by cries of "Just kick the bloody thing!". And should the player succumb to crowd pressure and put the boot into the ball, there is the collective groan when it goes to the opposition, who then chip the ball around, happily going sideways and backwards without crowd pressure until they get a goal.
Still maybe things will change this year and the crowd will allow the players to demonstrate their skills moving the ball out of defence.
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thegeniusthatis Skills 6 years 1 month ago #26

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As a teacher I feel i could always teach something better if i had a further 18 hours each week. I don't so the feeling is that I have inevitably cut short on something or other.
Another way of looking at it is that by repeating work consistently over time patterns begin to develop and students can instinctively respond to unseen texts and tasks, as well as honing their skill sets via consolidation.
This is the dilemma of coaches I believe, consolidation through repetition and yet something having to give to ensure breadth of learning and skill. They are footballers, but again that is their job.
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Morgan Skills 6 years 1 month ago #27

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If ever there was a sport where the players made the coach, it's basketball. Gleeson is a solid coach: he'll win when his players are much better than everyone else - as the Wildcats teams often are - and he'll lose when other teams have better players. I can't say the Wildcats under his watch have ever overachieved. Tactically, he is pretty lacking relative to other NBL coaches, which I guess is why he concentrates on skills and 'tough love'. But it must be said, I've never seen any evidence of growth from the younger Australian players on the squad. He tends to rely on purchasing the best American imports and riding them to the title. The good Australian players in the team he inherited from the previous coach. Good work if you can get it.

But getting outside ideas is often useful. Some players out of the 40-odd might get something out of it, and the rest might appreciate the change. Some might just like not having to listen to Lyon for a while. And who knows, maybe it will help.
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The_Yeti Skills 6 years 1 month ago #28

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Whoa, you are really jumping the shark with that one, Morgan. Saying that players make basketball coaches, in a game that is totally reliant on structures and set plays is as accurate as you saying that the majority of people didn't rate skills based on one question of your survey. (Which you misrepresented anyway)

Basketball relies far more on set plays and positioning than AFL. It also is far dependent on reactions to situations than AFL. No way do good players make good coaches in basketball. Goos coaches are often the difference between good teams and winning teams.

Gleeson, tactically, is a good coach and his record backs that up. His record is completely superior to Roly's yet you try to talk Roly up by talking Gleeson down.

Fact is, one is a winning coach and the other is Roly.
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