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TOPIC: Shane Yarran

Mike Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #15

Mike
I personally thought, and still think, that the club should have done more to support him when these now demonstrably bogus charges were first laid. I can appreciate, however, that it would be a bold move by any club to take such a stance in the face of criminal charges being laid against a player, especially in the context of how the media here operates.

The actions of the club in the context of this episode, however, pale into absolute insignificance relative to what this demonstrates about law enforcement in this state.
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Raglan Matt Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #16

Raglan Matt
Mike, it would be a bold move by half the AwFL clubs in WA given how the media here operates. I think this has been demonstrated to be true since about the early 2000's. Regarding your second point, I think that theory is backed up by ethnicity of prisoner ratio statistics.
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Morgan Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #17

Morgan
Fair enough, and I apologise if I got the chronology of Yarran's half-dozen brushes with the law out of sequence. Yarran is more than entitled to the presumption of innocence where the state can't bring enough evidence to convict him; but that doesn't automatically mean that the state was wrong to lay the charges - that would be a huge leap to make – and it doesn’t follow that a non-conviction makes a charge bogus.

And perhaps I'm not thinking fourth dimensionally enough, but It's also a huge leap to say that Freo letting him go / accepting his retirement was what caused him to go off the rails given he had already lost the first half of his career by being in gaol before he even stepped foot in the club.

We are all in a product of our life circumstances, and some of us start with a much bigger head start than others. It’s a genuine shame that a great talent like Yarran never prospered from that talent, and that fans of AFL football were deprived of witnessing it, but I’d suggest Yarran’s own actions had more to do with that than those of the club and the prosecutors.
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Raglan Matt Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #18

Raglan Matt
It is drawing a pretty long bow to suggest that Yarren had a big head start on most people in life. Without knowing the man, I would suggest he started from a few steps back from where you and I started, Morgan
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Morgan Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #19

Morgan
I was actually trying to say the opposite RM. Human agency only takes you so far, and i’d also speculate Yarran had a fair bit to overcome - but to lay his problems on the prosecutors and the club seems to completely ignore Yarran’s agency in this situation, and I consider that a little misguided.
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Raglan Matt Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #20

Raglan Matt
Fair enough, my apologies, it does read either way to me.

My real bugbear is the assumption that some of these fella's go off the rails because they are bad people. Some of them are just in bad places. It takes a lot of guts and a fair slice of luck to get yourself to the top of the ladder in those circumstances, and to kick someone like Yarren in the guts when his circumstances collapse his world is pretty cheap.
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shane Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #21

shane
Really, Morgan? Really?

He worked his guys out to go from jail to become an AFL footballer and then loses it all in a matter of weeks over, what even at the time sounded like a speculative charge and you reckon it's a long bow to suggest that was a trigger for him going off the rails.

It was a tough situation for the club to be in but they still made the wrong call pushing him out the door.

There's a Bob Dylan song in this story and you, Morgan, will not come across in a very positive light.
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guy smiley Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #22

guy smiley
I can almost hear it now...

How can the life of such a man
Be in the palm of some fool's hand?
To see him obviously framed
Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed
To live in a land
Where justice is a game
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Noddy Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #23

Noddy
On the lack of facts presented by anyone on this forum around what action the club did or didn’t take prior to Yarrans retirement it’s baffling that some suggest what has transpired to Yarran was completely the fault of the FFC.

I’m happy for someone who was involved in any discussions to provide some facts.
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Morgan Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #24

Morgan
It would indeed be a cruel twist of fate if the one crime Yarran wasn't guilty of committing was the one that triggered a downward spiral. If that's the case I have some empathy for him, but that doesn't mean I feel the need to point the finger and the club and the prosecutors without knowing what role they had to play in any of this. At the time of Yarran's charge Rosich said:

“We have accepted Shane’s request for personal leave which will allow him to concentrate on his personal life and also focus on some off-field matters. We have been assisting Shane in dealing with these matters and will continue to do so. An allegation of this nature is treated with the utmost seriousness by the club and we will continue to monitor the legal process closely. As the matter is still before the courts, the club will not comment further until the matter is resolved.”

Now, I don't rate Rosich, but it's another thing to accuse him of being a bald-faced liar in public, especially when the other players would know if it wasn't true. If a player wants to leave a club, what is a club supposed to do? Say no? Are you sure the club didn't continue to offer support?

And prosecutors don't always get things right, but they work incredibly hard in the service of the public, and don't charge people for no reason. I don't know the circumstances of why they charged him, and why the abandoned it. I'm guessing neither does anyone on this board. But I consider it pretty unfair for people to cast aspersions about their professionalism.

And yes, being accused of a crime you didn't commit and walking away from your job could certainly be a trigger, and if Yarran merely demonstrated self-destructive behaviour that would be one thing. But police chases aint no joke, and those of us who have lost family members in car accidents probably have less sympathy for it than some.
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pollyanna Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #25

pollyanna
Between myself and Smiley, both parties agree that he got the lyrics spot on.
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shane Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #26

shane
It seems a bit late in the game to be giving everyone the benifit the doubt.

They tallied it up and black ex-convict with two court dates was more than they were prepared to ride out. That's how the football industry works.

What they need is a proper union..
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guy smiley Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #27

guy smiley
Putting aside the gentle art of taking the mickey at Morgan's expense for a moment, suggesting that statement from Rosich about the mutuality of the decision to kick poor young Shane Yarran in the street penniless and starving should be taken at face value is, to stick with the Dylan theme like selling postcards of the hanging.
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Morgan Shane Yarran 6 years 1 month ago #28

Morgan
I'm not sure being maligned as a racist bystander in a Bob Dylan song is gentle.
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