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TOPIC: James Hird to Dockers

Raglan Matt James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #71

Raglan Matt
We don't need household names for chrissakes, we are not selling dishwashing liquid or toilet paper. We need talented coaches, and Roger is not going to get it done by himself. Get rid of the household names and give us some coaches.

I would like to see what Neesham could do with a squad like this.
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cletus James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #72

cletus
Agree completely RM, and I do wish to apologize to Roger if, by any of my comments, I inferred/implied he wasnt up to scratch. Deadset legend and I think nothing other.....
He retains his place in my books and should be in charge of the backline...
Having said that, on current Fremantle coaching allocation form, he was probably been offered the ruck coaching role, and, Rog being Rog, he would have politely declined and stuck to what he knows best....
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purple kit James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #73

purple kit
I’m not sure how the players would react to some of Rogers instructions though:
Roger “now once you’ve taken possession in heavy congestion, just warp time and space, now you’re in the clear, take your time to weigh up your options and execute your kick to put your teammate into space”
Talented youngster “sounds easy Rog, now what was that bit in the middle again?”
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WeegieDock James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #74

WeegieDock
We're starting to assemble a Hird of escaped goats
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Raglan Matt James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #75

Raglan Matt
About time we started recruiting players who CAN understand and execute those instructions then.
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terminator James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #76

terminator
Actually, Dr Bruce Reid did not agree with the supplements policy Cletus, as revealed in this article

www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dr-bruce-rei...-20130821-2sasc.html
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cletus James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #77

cletus
I understand exactly what you say Terminator, and cast no aspersions on Dr Reid, but, fact is, with all the protocols, all the relevance of a 'club doctor', and a 'supplements program', the program was implemented, practiced and 'well developed enough' to "get past / get through " the good doctor, until he got to a point where he was not satisfied/comfortable with what was going on.

Without trying to defend Hird and paint him as "cruelly dealt with", I do think he has been "tarred and feathered" a bit more then he actually deserves. I guess I base my 'defense with limits' on articles such as this :

www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-15/james-hir...ndon-bombers/7090080

Certainly, as coach, the 'buck stopped with him', as for any head of any organisation. He was naive and stupid to get involved with Dank and Robinson. But he set out to do no more than what all the other 17 clubs try to do -ie 'find an edge" ,and, I really see no difference between what he - James Hird - actually did, and what the revered Leigh Matthews did with IV re-hydration drips at half time, and low altitude flying during the Brizzy Lions triple premiership years.

All clubs are trying 'to get an edge over their competitors' and no one can tell me that in the past, and even now , James Hird is the only coach who has gone done the wrong path to find that 'edge'. As a coach, we would all do 'whatever it takes' to get that edge. ...(of course, I accept that all the good people of DL would always do it legally...!!)

At the end of the day, there is a 'person / human being' at the back of all this, and, without again trying to paint him as 'blameless', I've really struggle to find anything that suggests he actually was the one that instructed a banned substance to be used, for him to be deserving of the catergorisation and pillorying that he has copped over the past 6 years.

I think there's a lot of merit in an article such as this( even though its fox news), and personally, I agree with his father.

www.foxsports.com.au/afl/james-hirds-fat...d12b8b6fd331d9241d6d

This whole saga started with a Federal government trying to distract attention from its 'woes', -particularly the Prime Minister's woes at the time - and once they got involved, there needed to be a pariah at the end of it.

That just happened to be James Hird.

All I am saying, is that the bloke knows how to play the game, was a damn fine player, with damn fine skills - let alone the ability to win a Brownlow. And I think we need that type of fellow on our coaching panel because I reckon a bloke like that could help fix a lot of the woes we have had. And, more worryingly, we haven't got a lot of 'his type' on our coaching panel!

His football experience & knowledge would be great for the younger fellows on our playing list, and I don't think we should stop at having him as a 'Melbourne based opposition analyst coach". If he's interested , I'd have absolutely no problems with getting him on board.
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shane James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #78

shane
Here's a less complicated way to look at it. His lack of attention to detail almost destroyed his football club and lost Jobe Watson his Brownlow Medal.

If you want an analyst, you get someone who pays attention to the details.
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Jezza James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #79

Jezza
This whole Hird episode is now history. It matters not if we agree that the FFC has reached out to Hird, not because of pity but because of what he could contribute so to get our hands on the holy grail. It has and will continue to polarised the masses. For what it’s worth his knowledge of Melbourne teams in particular will no doubt help the club. It’s not as if we’re going to taint a premiership cup.
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The_Yeti James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #80

The_Yeti
Cletus,

You may wish to go back and revisit the Essendon Supplements Saga before you endorse Hird any further.

Reid had stopped the program until Hird arranged for him to be bypassed. Hird arranged for 'the good stuff' to be provided to Dank by Shane Charter, who oddly enough provided 'supplements' to Hird during his playing career. This is the same Charter that is a convicted drug dealer.

When the punishments were handed down, Reid fought his sanctions and the AFL was forced to withdraw them. Hird was suspended for a year.

Putting any blame of Reid isn't going to fly. As for Hird, even with drug assisted players, he wasn't a successful coach. We don't need him or his history at Freo
Egurls Suck!
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Raglan Matt James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #81

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Hird may well be lucky he didn't lose his Brownlow. As for Mathews, while what he did with drips was not against the rules at the time, it was widely condemned by the footy community and the rules were soon changed. He lost a lot of standing in the eyes of the average footy supporter at that time, and like Hird had his media mates to whitewash him. As for the low flying, any club with the money could do that at any time.

And I would take the low flying of Brisbane ahead of the high flying of some others over that time any day.
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Drubbing James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #82

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So Jezza, you're happy to cough up principles, scruples, ethics and morals for this grail?

Are you sure you're supporting the right club. There's another in town that would seem to suit better.
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Corporal Agarn James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #83

Corporal Agarn
So with the season just about to start how long do we wait for him to make a bloody decision. How about we just get someone else that is interested and still involved with the game?
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DS James Hird to Dockers 6 years 1 month ago #84

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Just a further point to consider cletus, some of the substances the Essendon players were given were not approved for human use. This is far more risky than a rehydration solution. That is a major difference between what Lethal did and Hird did.
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