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TOPIC: Pot discusses kettle

pollyanna Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #15

pollyanna
You would have to sell your washing machine to send them there Matabe - where would you put your beer and leftovers then?
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Jezza Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #16

Jezza
There are a few players where the investment hasn’t worked out. Like the coaches before Roly, those investments failed as well. Unlike Roly, Bennell’s history was enough for the club to give him a second chance. We all know what’s transpired since Bennell arrived at the club. Let’s not confused the coach and the player as to who was a wasted investment.
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hypen Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #17

hypen
My concern is Harley will always have the odd slip up where he drinks too much and gets into trouble. Relatively small things. He's a good kid who will never sing in a choir.

His best football is on a par with Dustin Martin.

The real challenge here is, can Freo manage a once in a lifetime talent who slips up every now and then?
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shane Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #18

shane
It's difficult to sort out when they think player management is something you do in a spreadsheet.
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Noddy Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #19

Noddy
I think Harley needs the quantum computer treatment not the spreadsheet approach.

David Boon could be HBs specialist coach?
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The_Yeti Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #20

The_Yeti
Seriously Jezza,

Why would you apply a standard to Bennell that you refuse to apply to Lyon?

We employed each of them to do a job. Ok Bennell's case it was to play football. He hasn't produced mostly due to injury, which we knew about prior to getting him. You're ready to hang him over his behaviour while ignoring the reason we got him.

Lyon was employed to provide sustained success. If you're satisfied with what he's produced you need new glasses.

I just find it hypocritical that the bloke getting paid a million a year to produce next to nothing can criticize a bloke for not providing a good enough return on his investment.
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Noddy Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #21

Noddy
If reaching the top eight is the measure of success then every year there should be 8 coaches sacked.

Recruiting and coaching 40 or so guys to play AFL is loaded with variables, an individual training and preparing to play less so.

Harley’s a long way off proving he’s a quality and reliable AFL player.
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rogerrocks Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #22

rogerrocks
It turns out that Harvard isn't that expensive. They basically give out places based on merit and set the fees based on means (terribly Marxist of them). The exceptions are the children of alumni who do (I believe) have to pay quite a lot.
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Morgan Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #23

Morgan
Managing a player who slips up from time-to-time is not easy when you need to consider the impact that has on 40-odd other players, each with their own ambitions and view of the world. As a coach, is it possible to have nuanced set of rules for one player, and a different, more rigid set for the other (less talented) players?

You’d hope the players understand the situation, and realise that their footy team is better with Harley on the field - even if that means the club accommodates his occasional stuff-up - without affecting their work ethic or making them resentful. But that is asking a lot of those players, and runs counter to how humans generally react to inconsistently applied rules. If former Freo players are believed (and please correct me if I’m misremembering this), club chemistry – and ultimately Chris Connelly’s coaching career – took a pretty big hit for trying to accommodate some of Jeff Farmer’s indiscretions. He was a once-in-a-generation talent as well, and keeping him on the field made sense, but it reportedly got a many of the other senior players offside.

And it’s worth noting that Famer had 100-odd more games for Freo under his belt than Bennell.
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Noddy Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #24

Noddy
Keeping Cousins, Kerr et al on field made sense to the Eagles at one stage, are we in suggesting that’s the way to go? Of course not, so let’s stop making excuses for repeated indiscretions.
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Corporal Agarn Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #25

Corporal Agarn
We seem to have got back on to Harley, when Yeti raised a very valid point on the previous page.

Yes, the investment in HB has not, as Roly pointed out, paid off. But what about the massive investment in Roly himself? The promise of sustained success, the five year extension contract and what have we seen but us go backwards and have the biggest drop off in AFL/VFL history.

So perhaps he is the pot discussing the kettle? Where to from here if things don't show a remarkable improvement this year?
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Noddy Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #26

Noddy
It’s six weeks before the first proper AFL round, I think I’ll wait a while before applying to join the execution squad.
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guy smiley Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #27

guy smiley
I think some of you guys may have accidentally stumbled over the premise in the thread title.
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Jezza Pot discusses kettle 6 years 2 months ago #28

Jezza
I don’t think Mikey was banished to the Swans for getting unwanted publicity. His biggest stumble was that he couldn’t pass the pinch test. Looking at HB, I don’t think his skinfolds are what’s getting him into the bad books
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