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TOPIC: Shape of the Market

Bizkit Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #1

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I gave a lighter description of what may happen on draft day now we have two picks in the top 5 but I thought I'd give a better break down of the top talent that will be around for our picks, help those that haven't seen much of the U18's to get an idea of our options. As such, here's my top picks and some information on how I think they'll go at AFL level plus a video that will sum up what they can do.

I) Luke Davies-Uniake
Plays like: Scott Pendlebury
I've made it no secret who I think we should be hoping slips to us so I won't waste too much time here but his ability as a big bodied and very powerful midfielder can't be ignored. He has that break away pace which is rare for an inside mid and does remind also of a Fyfe/Danger. His handball is elite and he goes forward to kick goals. Easily number one for mine.

II) Cameron Rayner
Plays like: Robbie Gray
There's been a lot of talk about Rayner's ability to go forward and have an impact similar to Dusty but he's a bit smaller and more mobile than him. He has some fantastic speed and will run around opponents but he doesn't break tackles as well as you may think. His disposal is fantastic but he can get caught up in his own pace and cough the footy up as a result. You would hope as he learns and develops he will sort that so it's not really of much concern. He can go inside to get the ball but he's much better on the outside. Will also take a grab and has very clean hands. From all reports his stays forward are just as much to do with a limited aerobic capacity as they are due to the damage he can cause there which may be a worry but should be sorted at AFL level.

III) Jaidyn Stephenson
Plays like: Stephen Hill
I do rate Stephenson highly and a lot of that is on potential. His pace and movement are exciting and near unstoppable but it does cause some issues with his field kicking. Somehow, he still rarely misses a shot at goal and slots them from anywhere which tells me he has great composure and is probably trying to do a bit too much with the footy in general play to land all his kicks. He has good hands and a sweeping handpass but the big knock on him is his size. He is very tall for a midfielder which should see him dominate those shorter than him and in the air but his slight frame means he struggles to lay a tackle or break out of them. With a decent diet and a couple of pre-seasons I see that problem solved and Stephenson as potentially the best player in the draft. It's a risk but one I'd almost take at 5 despite our forward woes.

IV) Adam Cerra
Plays like: Shaun Burgoyne
Cerra has had a number of injuries this year and hasn't had as many opportunities to show his wares but when he's been on the park he has proven himself to be for mine, the best kick in the draft. I can hardly tell which foot is his preferred, he delivers it so well left or right and even under pressure. He's another who's a good height, especially for a midfielder but could use a little more bulk to him. He's very clean with his pick ups and ball handling but doesn't have the explosive pace of those ahead of him in my rankings. That doesn't tend to worry him with such clean disposal and composure, he's at home both as an inside mid or delivering the footy on a platter via the outside.

V) Darcy Fogarty
Plays like: Matthew Pavlich (mid)
I've used the linked video above for Fogarty because I think it showed how well he can step up to a bit of pressure and responsibility. He'd had a serious knee injury and very little footy which had showed with some average performances for SA so he was moved to a bit of a quarter back role in defense. It was his best game for mine as he showed great composure and skills which had looked sloppy and average before then. He clearly has the size to do some damage in the middle and that's where everyone sees him playing as he's not tall enough to hold down a modern KPF post against an AFL size defender. He was one of the stars of the tournament last year and was heading for a dual with Will Sutherland for the number 1 pick before that knee injury (and not getting any taller to become a true KPF) but he has shown a few glimpses of what he is capable of and will be a round 1 starter for whoever picks him up like LDU.

VI) Jarrod Brander
Plays like: Nick Reiwoldt
Brander is another one who was looking incredible last season but hasn't finished this year as well as he'd like. He's been moved around the ground a lot due to being such an incredible athlete but it may have slowed his development as a forward without as much time as I'd like down there to work on his craft. Nevertheless I see him as a forward at AFL level but that will depend on the club that recruits him. He is easily the best mark both in a contest and on a lead in this years draft and would rival the best in any draft. he is so fast and agile, KPD's struggle to keep up with him but smaller players are absolutely no match in the air. He is a clean field kick and with his speed and movement can really break open the play from a quick kick our of a stoppage. It's these attributes that make him so attractive to Freo and the style of play we have. His goal kicking could use some work but I don't believe it's anything to worry about.

VII) Paddy Dow
Plays like: Rory Sloane
Dow is both an inside and outside mid similar to LDU with slightly more speed but not as much touch. He's a smaller size and doesn't break through traffic as well but he handballs well and once he's out he's hard to catch. His disposal worries me a bit and he often kicks the footy without looking where he's going which I'm not a big fan of. Even so he is not afraid of the tough stuff and will win the footy at the bottom of a pack.
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larkin Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #2

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Biz, I wont question your comments above cos I am a blind dear in that regard but as a matter of interest what do you think we really need to add to our game day squad. I just have a sneaky suspicion we might get Naughton.
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snoop Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #3

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Naughton would be a 100% known quantity to Freo.

Bit I'll go UDL and Brander.
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Bizkit Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #4

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I like Naughton as probably the best reader of the play available. His disposal is ok and he's not afraid to throw his body around which can often be a problem for young talls. As a KPD I don't see him going in the top 10 as you just can't impact the play as well as players in other positions. There's the odd exception but I don't see Naughton getting to that point. More of a problem is we picked up a KPD too early last season and have Pearce and Hamling back there already along with Cox who could easily slot in down back.

There's just no job for Naughton in the freo side and he wouldn't crack the best 22 at any point without injury. It would be the biggest waste of a top 5 pick in a draft that's elite at the top end.
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larkin Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #5

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fair enough - and maybe with Cox (who was AA U18 CHB) and Pearce (either of whom could take over from MJ) I see your point though I kinda wonder how long Log will play back. I see him as more of a mini Natty type pushing through the middle.
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purple kit Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #6

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It’s interesting that you have rated Stephenson so highly, in the interview on another link he said he grew up supporting Brisbane and would love to play there but pretty much dismissed the possibility as LDU and Rainer were clearly the front runners for being pick one. Given the Lions inability to keep top end talent (illustrated again this year by the Shache trade) could they take him at 1 because they know they’ll get 10 years + out of him?
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Awake Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #7

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Thanks Biz, very interesting. I had a look at the video of LDU (UDL?) and saw Dangerfield the Younger. Great poise, balance, seems to have a lot of time, knows where to go and so on. The reason I am posting though is that his body shape reminds me of what Percy Cerutty said about Herb Elliot and athletes in general (and I paraphrase): "I look for athletes with a question mark spine - the curve at the top gives the lungs a lot of room and increased aerobic capacity". This seems to be UDL's shape.

Speaking of Perc:
Fail, it's not in my dictionary. I've got a good dictionary up there and the words 'fail' and 'failure' have been ruled out for years. I don't know what people are talking about who use that word. All I do know is temporary non-success, even if I've got to wait another 20 years for what I'm after, and I try to put that into people, no matter what their object in life.

So I hope our run of temporary non-success ends soon.
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Corporal Agarn Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #8

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One that hasn't cracked a mention much here and I'm not sure why is Stephenson. Biz's write up on him sounds very interesting. Pace and goal kicking-yes please. If he keeps growing could he end up as a forward or at least a forward/midfielder?

Biz, what's your thoughts on Allen and Hayes and where in the draft do you see them going?
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391 Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #9

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Great post Biz

Pre AFL draft is my fav part of the year.

I reckon when you take the emotion out of it --- LDU goes one. There is no risk with him.

If he does go one do you think Rayner slides past us to a Vic club? Maybe I'm too risk averse but with concerns over endurance and my view smaller fwd types don't get to lead at the footy any more he is not the right option.
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expat Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #10

expat
Fantastic post Biz.
I also like the looks of Ian Hill
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Detox Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #11

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Ian Hill will be good next year.. we won’t have to compete with e girls either because they gave away their 2018 first round pick
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Walter the baker Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #12

Walter the baker
I stopped reading at "Plays like Pav". Just pick whoever that was.
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hypen Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #13

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My understand is Luke the "-" and Paddy Dow are Vic country and present less of a go home risk. I think it will be those two if we get the choice.

How good is this!!!!
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Jezza Shape of the Market 6 years 6 months ago #14

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Carlton is all over Paddy Dow and he's with them. But given Biz's write up, why would you waste our picks 2 & 5 on other than 2 gun mids. Bring them home Lloydy, anyone of the top 5 that Biz mentioned.
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