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Bizkit Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #57

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Back to the topic at hand, Hendrix was a gun early as a mobile ruckman who could cover the ground similar to Cox with a good jump and grab as well as a lovely kick. He played a big role as a back up ruckman to Sandi which is one of the toughest jobs in footy before injuring his knee.

He was clearly hampered by it and played restricted for years under the advice of Freo's medical staff which looks incredibly poor in hindsight. He's finally had the surgery he apparently didn't need the previous couple of post seasons and sat out this year to get his knee right.

Hendrix is now in his prime at 27 while we have a 35yo ruckman who is struggling at the end of his career to stay fit (and on a 1 year contract), a 32yo ruckman who is also being delisted along with an up and coming 19yo and we decide to delist him? That's a poor decision just based on our incredibly thin ruck stocks. When you consider his worth on the open market it becomes an even worse decision.

He is worth a 1 year contract to see what he can do with 2 working knees if not the potential compensation for him leaving as a free agent.
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SevenHoursBehind Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #58

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Firstly, I'd like to wish Zac Clarke the best, and thank him for his service. Every footballer discussed on these threads was a long way better than me, and I always try to keep that in mind when praising or criticising them.

In saying that, the end of his Fremantle career gives me cause to relay an anecdote from 2013:

The morning after the Grand Final, I went for coffee with family friends in Degraves St, off Flinders Lane (I'm sure many know it): my godfather's business partner is a major Hawthorn donor (he goes into the rooms after each Grand Final win, etc), and he joined us. It was a measured debrief on the game. Like many of us, I felt a mixture of sadness at the loss, pride at a lot of the efforts, but confusion at what it all meant, and how easy it would be to 'bounce back', as Pavlich said on the premiership dias. Mostly, I was glad I'd travelled so far to be there.

By chance, a Hawthorn support staff member walked past, and recognised the donor. I never learned whether he worked in the stats box, or some other part of the football department: but it soon became clear he was knowledgable, and knew what he was talking about. He turned to me, gave his commiserations, and in a short recap of the match, I asked him who he thought would have the most sleepless nights from our side. His answer was swift: 'Zac Clarke'.

I was shocked. The game felt a blur, but I didn't remember many significant moments with him near the ball. The Hawthorn staff member went on to explain:

It was clear from the bounce that with Sandilands acting as primary ruck, Clarke was to play mostly as a roaming high half-forward. In a range of critical early match-ups, his opponent was Luke Hodge. This appeared deliberate: Lyon's instructions were for Clarke to lead up the ground to the half forward line and wings, take as many contested marks as he could, and draw Hodge out of any role where he could direct the backline. In short: Clarke's job was to make Hodge accountable.

Q1 passed by in a haze, and looking back, many in our side were overawed by the occasion: but everyone else had an opportunity to play themselves into the game by getting on top of their opponent. Clarke couldn't, because Hodge just stayed back, or doubled over to more dangerous targets. The lasting impact from Clarke's dropped marks and poor Q1 was that Hodge developed the confident to 'roll off' him, give him space, and be the spare in defence. If Hodge wasn't near the ball, Gibson and Lake also knew Clarke posed no threat, and so they could do the same, knowing Hodge would cover their man if they were out of position. And from that moment, we effectively played against an extra man in defence.

There's a myriad of reasons why we lost a Grand Final after more scoring shots, more clearances, more inside 50s and more marks inside 50: but I'll never forget this Hawthorn staffer the next morning citing Clarke's shocker as the single biggest structural reason behind that feeling that we were chasing the game all day. This story is only one, and I'm sure many people have their own theories: the early misses, Ibbotson's absence, Ballantyne and D. Pearce and others having their worst games of the season.

Sport's a brutal business: and I'm sure like all the players, Clarke would love that day again. But more than the pack marks, the taps, the odd goal, or the handball over the top to Pavlich that kickstarted the Q3 revival, I'll probably remember Zac Clarke most for that laneway conversation.
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Bizkit Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #59

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I don't buy that for a moment SevenHoursBehind. Hendrix didn't have a great GF as did many others but his role was not designed for him or to succeed. He was left to play a lone hand on several defenders as we flooded back often and as a skinny young ruckman trying to play a mobile running role at half forward, there was only so much he could do. There's a reason the half forward position has been a graveyard under RL.

The players up the field rarely kicked towards him (focusing on the likes of Pav which is not necessarily a bad thing) and when they did he had at least 2 opponents to beat as we pushed our half forwards into defense to clog up the Hawks ball movement. We were constantly outnumbered in our forwardline across the game and that's not Hendrix' fault, it's by design of the RL game plan. Blaming him for Hodge, Gibson and Lake running free is wrong, it's RL's forward system that allows that and has done in pretty much every game RL has ever coached!
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Gumnut Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #60

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I'd be interested to know if Essendon are amongst those clubs interested in Zac as it Mark Harvey who got the best from him playing more in the midfield than around goals. As well as that Woosha would probably have seen his best football while he was here at the Weagles. We seem to forget the good football he played leading the ruck in Sandilands' prolonged absence.
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Darwin Docker Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #61

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From what I can recall Zac was substituted at Q3 time in the GF which in retrospect was a mistake as we needed a big man in the last quarter to counter Brian Lake in our forward line..
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Wedge Antilles Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #62

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I haven't re-watched the GF out of respect for my sanity, but I distinctly remember being in shock when Clarke was subbed, expecting his height to become invaluable. We looked stretched in the big man department from that point on, especially down forward, and there was a flat patch during our comeback when Sandi really needed a 5 minute break and couldn't get it.

If it's true, expecting him to outsmart Hodge, one of the more intelligent footballers ever (on the field), was a a pretty stupid piece of coaching. Had Zac stayed on he could have stuck with Lake to stop him taking over the game, a much easier task.

I can think of a couple who could have come off instead, but the sub rule was a croc and it denied Clarke the opportunity to work his way into the game.
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Raglan Matt Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #63

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If he hasn't worked his way into the game by 3/4 time, I think your expectations may have overreached a little bit.
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Flag_2005 Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #64

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Zac couldn't get near it in the GF. There is some serious rose tinted glasses stuff going on here.
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Jason Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #65

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I’m with you Flag.

Clarke’s stats to 3/4 time:

1 kick
4 handballs
1 mark
8 hitouts (Sandi got 44)
3 tackles
0.0 score

In comparison, Lachie in one quarter had more disposals (7) and more marks (2).

I’ll also add that I don’t care how good a player Hodge is - if Clarke was given a role to play then it’s his job to fill that role. His failure to do that or to influence the game in any meaningful way (1 mark in 3/4 of footy as a plus 200cm tall forward is hopeless, IMHO) was the reason he got subbed.

As has often been spoken of successful teams - it’s not your top 5 players that win you the game, it’s how your bottom 5 perform.

I’d argue he was our least effective player on the day and nothing that he has done since makes me believe we’re going to be a lesser team without him.

That being said, I’d love to see him get another shot elsewhere and well done for playing 100+ games for the purple so we have father-son (& daughter) options down the track.
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Wedge Antilles Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #66

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Where did anyone say Clarke was having a good game? It's that Lake took over the game plugging a hole that Zac could have stood in, rather than being allegedly involved in a ridiculous mismatch with Luke Hodge that even Dennis Commetti coaching West Perth wouldn't have entertained.
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Flag_2005 Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #67

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Whatever his role was he didn't fulfil it. These things happen in footy. What epitomised Zac for me was the final away to Sydney a few years ago. Luke Mac was injured and Silvagni played on Buddy (and did a super job). We were in the game in the last quarter. Zac was then outmarked by Dan Hannebery on the wing. Hannebery outmuscled him! He just didn't (and doesn't) know how to use his body.

Earlier in this thread Zac was described as a gun. "Zac Clarke" and "gun" do not belong in the same sentence.
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Raglan Matt Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #68

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They do, but probably not in that context.
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Corporal Agarn Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #69

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Clarke is #1 and Collins #7. I guess this has been covered earlier but do we delist too early. More of our delisted players seem of interest to other clubs than players from anyone else.




ALMOST 30 delisted footballers have found a new AFL home since free agency changed the game forever in 2012.

Saints Dylan Roberton and Tim Membrey, Western Bulldogs premiership defender Joel Hamling – who moved again last year to Fremantle – Carlton's Matthew Wright, Brisbane Lion Mitch Robinson and ex-Demon Daniel Cross all thrived after being cut.

Ricky Henderson (Hawthorn), Michael Barlow (Gold Coast) and Josh Green (Essendon) also played a combined 47 matches at their second clubs this year.

Kangaroo-turned-Eagle Drew Petrie and Docker-cum-Blue Alex Silvagni were NAB AFL Rookie Draft selections.

There were misses, too, but there are bargains to be found.

There could still be more delistings in the coming weeks, but AFL.com.au has ranked this year's current top 10 delisted free agents according to their likelihood of receiving an AFL lifeline.

1. Zac Clarke (Fremantle)

101 games, 46 goals, 28/3/90 (27 years old)
The spring-heeled ruckman, who boasts good endurance and is also capable of playing up forward, made his living in Aaron Sandilands' shadow. Clarke managed double-digit games each season between 2011 and 2016 before knee problems took their toll. Two surgeries, the most recent in February, saw him miss this season, but he is fit again and has attracted genuine interest.

2. Sam Gibson (North Melbourne)

130 games, 51 goals, 27/5/87 (31)
Gibson's 130 straight matches is the AFL's longest active streak and the second-most ever from debut, a feat that made his delisting "hard to fathom". His advanced age hurt him, and his foot skills were also questioned. But Gibson has an outstanding aerobic capacity and is versatile enough to play on the wing, as a tagger – just ask Rory Sloane – or even across half-forward.

3. Aaron Mullett (North Melbourne)

85 games, 31 goals, 23/2/92 (25)
The small defender averaged career-high disposals (20) and only three players in the AFL topped his 5.6 rebound 50s per game, but admitted his physicality in the contest wasn't where it needed to be after past shoulder issues. Mullett has added weight to his frame, says his body is rid of injury and is willing to go anywhere to revive his career.

4. Michael Talia (Sydney)

31 games, 3 goals, 11/2/93 (24)
St Kilda has already indicated it is interested in becoming the 192cm defender's third AFL club, behind his stints at the Western Bulldogs and the Swans. That seems Talia's best chance of continuing at AFL level after controversies at each of his previous two stops. Played a career-most 14 matches for the Bulldogs in 2015, but only one in two seasons in the Harbour City.



5. Lachy Hansen (North Melbourne)

151 games, 81 goals, 17/8/88 (29)
Started the season well enough, but the temptation to play young key defensive prospects Sam Durdin and Dan Nielson only grew as the Roos' losses mounted. Hansen's only match after round 13 was a farewell in the final round. Can play forward or back and is still young enough to perform a role for a club in the right situation to take on a veteran.

6. Lachie Keeffe (Collingwood)

40 games, 7 goals, 14/4/90 (27)
Last played an AFL game in 2014, when he played a career-high 18 matches in what was his best campaign at the elite level. The 204cm, 101kg giant served a two-year anti-doping ban, then was unable to break into the Pies' senior line-up this past season. Prefers to play as a key back, but spent significant time in attack in the VFL this year, booting multiple goals four times.

7. Sam Collins (Fremantle)

14 games, 0 goals, 15/6/94 (23)
Collins fell out of favour this season after playing 12 games in 2016 as a mature-age recruit from the Box Hill Hawks. The key defender stands 192cm and won the Dockers' WAFL affiliate Peel Thunder's club champion award, but struggled to get a look in behind Joel Hamling, Michael Johnson and young prospects Griffin Logue and Brennan Cox. His manager has already taken calls.

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8. Jack Trengove (Melbourne)

86 games, 39 goals, 2/9/91 (26)
The No.2 pick in the 2009 NAB AFL Draft never reached his potential at the Demons, in large part because of a serious left foot injury that first surfaced in late 2012. Trengove played only seven senior games across the past four seasons, but was a strong performer at VFL level, is a solid citizen and could add midfield depth somewhere.

9. Ben Kennedy (Melbourne)

40 games, 28 goals, 3/3/94 (23)
Consistently put up big numbers in the VFL, but the closest he got to an AFL game was as an emergency. Kennedy, a goalkicking midfielder, was once rated so highly the ex-Magpie was a top-20 draft pick five years ago, but was one of four Demons suspended mid-season for breaking team rules regarding to alcohol. May still have enough currency to find a third AFL club.

10. Henry Schade (Collingwood)

28 games, 1 goal, 8/10/93 (24)
The twice-delisted tall defender played eight of the first nine games for the Magpies, but was unsighted at AFL level after that. Kept Lance Franklin to three behinds in round three and seemed set to make the most of his second chance after 20 games for the Gold Coast. Schade is pretty athletic for a man of 197cm, so could attract some interest.
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Jezza Zac Off? 6 years 6 months ago #70

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I applaud all the analytical stuff that have been aired. But unless you're the premiers, a clean out is warranted. Damn if you do damn if you don't. I prefer to leave it to the experts to sort out the list management. What's transpired since our fall from grace isn't as bad as some might think. It's a numbers game. We've doubled our wins in 12 months with the troops we've mustered. To me that's trending upwards. For all the analysis we can come up with, it means jack if that don't translate into wins and losses. That's the business get used to it.
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