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TOPIC: Pick 5

RideoftheVagaries Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #211

RideoftheVagaries
Until someone can actually show me the Aussie Rules gene, I'm going to have to assume, when someone bangs on about "natural footballer", they're channelling some 1970's crusty, who wants to convince everyone they were a much better footy-player because they smoked a bucket'o'cancer and sank somewhere between 12 and 30 cans every Saturday night after the game.

Tell me a "natural footballer" isn't a combination of coordination, good reflexes, learned instinct, well matched physical conditioning, confidence and good problem solving, plus a few other random idiosyncratic attributes and maybe I'll believe someone can't go from seeming a non-natural footballer to a seemingly natural one from one season to the next.
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jezzaargh Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #212

jezzaargh
leaned instinct??

aren't instinctive and learned behaviour polar opposites?
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RideoftheVagaries Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #213

RideoftheVagaries
At one level jezzaargh, but a lot of what we think of as instincts are really automated learned behaviours.
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Jezza Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #214

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Roly in one of his pressers this year used the expression " God given talent" or words to that affect, when describing Walters 32 disposals, kicking 6.2 against the Saints, only to lose the game in the dying minutes. The word "natural" is reserved for the few that are born with a gift. The rest of us have to work their bums off to achieve great things. I unashamedly put myself in that bracket. I'm pretty sure that I'm right on that front.
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Raglan Matt Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #215

Raglan Matt
ROTV, you are starting to sound like a new age coach now.
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maynefan Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #216

maynefan
For what it's worth, in my opinion a natural footballer is one who can read the play and therefore be in the position to receive a ball going forward or intercept it in the backline. I used to watch Barlow drift forward into space lots. It's what Logue lacks at the minute plus he's got a few friends. I think Cox is able to read the play and get to the where the ball is going well and I've got high hopes for him.
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RideoftheVagaries Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #217

RideoftheVagaries
Raglan "new age coach" and "natural footballer" are just categories that we form in our heads, aren't actual things and often a sign of lazy thinking (that all of us do), only serving to blind us to the detail and what it is we can impact to change things.

To be fair, "lazy thinking" is another one of those labels and could just as easily be called "brain conserving resources".
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Raglan Matt Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #218

Raglan Matt
Barlow was another who was rejected by most AFL clubs because he was no athlete. Just say'n.
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freo00 Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #219

freo00
Ball magnet ?
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larkin Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #220

larkin
co ordination, reflexes, fast twitch muscles, stamina blah blah if you dont have them all the training wont help much but if you do dedication and training might bring you up a few levels.
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rogerrocks Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #221

rogerrocks
Barlow is the definition of a natural footballer. Really when it comes down to it some people just have brains that process information the right way for footy. They may not know why they ran (or waddled) to a particular spot - they just did, only to find the ball waiting for them. Johnno is a hard working "natural" footballer. I say "hard working" because I saw him one Friday morning at a cafe in Freo, studying his opponents game on his laptop. If you just watched his game that weekend you'd marvel at how he knew where to be - but it was no mystery - he'd studied up. But that study would have got him nowhere without his ability.
I like Logue, but right now he is the antithesis of a natural footballer. And Israel Folau is another. Logue will never be a natural, but he'll be able to learn patterns of behaviour that will work for us.
I reckon Roly likes to have some athletic guys who he can drill to behave in a certain way, and some natural footballers. But I wish he'd shift the balance a bit in favour of natural footballers.
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purple kit Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #222

purple kit
If we really did turn down picks 9 and 24 for pick 5, I think they are going for Fogarty. 192cm mids don’t come along that often and being a good mark and kick makes him an obvious replacement for Mundy, allowing Fyfe to go forward.
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Raglan Matt Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #223

Raglan Matt
A lot of natural footy players don't make very good coaches for that reason. They have no idea why they get to the right spot to get the footy, it just happens. They are only successful coaches when they have 20 players with the same natural ability.
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Pav353 Pick 5 6 years 6 months ago #224

Pav353
Nic Nat and Barlow were recruited in the same year , A comparison i drew that year with a eagle loving relative of mine was Barlow is a natural footballer Natanui is a athlete they are trying to turn into a footballer , Two perfect examples of the debate
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