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TOPIC: Power Forwards - surely over-rated?

purple kit Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #15

purple kit
We won our Qualifying final in 2015 then lost the prelim due to some very dodgy umpiring in the first qtr when we had the hawks on the ropes.
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Eventually Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #16

Eventually
I'd agree that you need one above average power forward but don't see any evidence to say you need more than one. The game has evolved to one of rolling scrums and the fittest, toughest and reasonably skilful ( agreed doesnt have to be the most skilful) teams are the best suited to the frenetic pressure of finals footy. Hogan would fit the bill but it's quite possible Tabs could do the job almost as well. Cannot see a place for Kersten and would like to see Cammac work more on his defensive skills to become our new Mayne man.
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Raglan Matt Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #17

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If Matera is the answer, we are further away from a flag than I thought.

We have the skillful players, but they are not being let loose with their skills. Tabs could do the job as key forward, but would be a lot more effective as the second forward with the addition of Hogan.

Tabs is unlucky that he came on the scene when Pav was a year or 2 past the point where the opposition had to concentrate up to 3 defenders on stopping him. Chuck Hogan in the mix and I reckon Tabs could be a huge factor in our push for a flag.
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Corporal Agarn Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #18

Corporal Agarn
I'm with you RM. We need Chuck Hogan!
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Eventually Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #19

Eventually
Interesting comparisons based on height
Fyfe 190 cm
Pav 193 cm I think?
Cammac 192 cm
Kersten 191 cm
Apeness 200 cm
Taberner 199 cm
Brennan Cox 193 cm
Ubergang 194 cm
Then you have
Hogan 195 cm
Jack Reiwoldt 195 cm

Strikes me that if we could work on Cox's kicking we have a pretty handy power forward in the making. Not sure on the Uber but has the height. Apeness, a pity he can't stay fit and Tabs well at his height he could certainly be amazing.
Kersten not a power forward and not a midfielder, could he do a Tarrant?
Cammac maybe better used as our new Mundy swapping with Fyfe in the forward line
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Walter the baker Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #20

Walter the baker
Cammac our new Mundy. Seriously? That's like saying Kersten should be our new Sandilands. Cam may become a useful forward but he will never be a Rolls Royce midfielder,
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zorro Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #21

zorro
The big lesson from the last two finals rounds is you need to get most of the bodies around the contest, which the Bullies and Richmond clearly did best, and a good set up behind the ball in case the opposition take it forward (nearly always under pressure), which they also did best.

In some respects what happens forward of the pack doesn't matter a huge amount - if you're getting it forward from contested play constantly, or rebounding when your opponents get it forward, the opportunities will come. Not to say you shouldn't have effective forwards - big guys, little guys, whatever – it's just that they won't win the game.

That's what we had in 2013 - 15 until the physical pressure of the style got to us (like it did with Bullies, don't put your house on the Tigers in '18). That's what keeps Sydney up there year after year.
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Docker76 Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #22

Docker76
Totally agree need another power mid
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Docker76 Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #23

Docker76
Purple kit I saw Adelaide get off to a fast start and Richmond looked very nervous - all this stuff about missing goals and umpiring mistakes is just fluff - if you are good enough you will overcome all of that and win
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Jason Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #24

Jason
Pk, don't forget in that PL against the Hawks - Mayne had a golden chance from about 30m almost straight in front to take us out to a 3.0 start - but missed.

Ball went up the other end and a few dodgy frees later the Hawks were in front.

Had Mayne kicked that goal then who knows what might have happened.

Point is, you make your own luck and if you're good enough - you win no matter what. That year, Hawthorn had to travel twice to WA in 3 weeks and still comfortably won their 3rd straight flag.
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purple kit Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #25

purple kit
The point was we won our qualifying final and went straight to a preliminary, many on here seem to have rewritten history to say we went out in straight sets, which we did in 2014. Should be noted that in both 14 & 15 we were being cautious with Luke Mac, to ensure he was right to play the next week. What might have been had he played we'll never know.
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expat Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #26

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I'd like to hope in 2018 Apeness gets back on the park and adds another spanner in there for us.
But I like the idea of a fwd line with either TABS/Apeness & Hogan, plus Cammac.
I think Kersten needs to find another role.
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teasea Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #27

teasea
Depending how long it takes Alex Pearce to get back on track he looked ok back or forward and is 200cm I think. Fingers crossed....
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Walter the baker Power Forwards - surely over-rated? 6 years 6 months ago #28

Walter the baker
Can any of the Apeness subscribers tell me why they think he is part of the solution? Based on the evidence that he has provided when fit enough to get on the park, any independent observer would be more likely to suggest that he is a long shot to provide any value and is more likely to go down as a poor draft pick. As they say in the classics, size isn't everything, and in Apeness' case that may be a problem as size appears to be the only thing he has going for him.
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Derby12, Corporal Agarn, Pav353 said You Beaut