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thegeniusthatis Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #57

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Yeah, kinda. Better execution means working smarter which means working more efficiently which means more effective use of work rate which means with a better and more committed work rate plus better execution I can smell a Freopeat of premierships in the salty sea air with Freo tacklers like a flock of seagulls at Cicerellos on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Execution and intensity equals efficient use of energy expended.
Someone who knows how to create an Excel spreadsheet would have a formulator this, probably like the Freo font clouds Shane used to make.
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dddocker Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #58

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On Saturday Adelaide looked unusually slow, fumbly and down on mental commitment (not all e.g. Sloane). This could be a relative thing because after the first 5 minutes Richmond seemed to be more focussed and strong at the ball and at their opponents too. Did Adelaide think it was all going to happen? Sorry but I got the impression Richmond players were simply working harder for the ball and to retain the ball in their attacking zone. That's work rate is it not?
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shane Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #59

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The idea that a professional football team would make it to a grand final and then slack off seems unlikely to me. They made it to a grand final, something they've worked hard at all season and dreamed of their entire life, then they slacked off.

Or even, after they made it to a grand final and for whatever reason decided to slack off, when they found themselves getting beaten they didn't decide that now might be a good time to work a bit harder and get back into the game.
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Drubbing Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #60

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If you're expecting a best 22 scenario for most of the year, you're always going to be looking forward to the next one. The 2nd tier need to be good enough to fill the void.

Freo put some good teams out last season, and got hammered through poor, basic skills giving the opposition loads of soft turnovers.

If the AFL has re-created Rolyball, Jason - good luck with kick-starting that again at Freo, if all the good clubs are now playing it. An interstate team has little hope of sustaining it for a whole season. It's worth noting that Richmond also played all their finals at the G. Effectively home games
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Raglan Matt Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #61

Raglan Matt
Adelaide had to work harder because their skills were not executed. Richmond got an easy run because they hit targets.
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Jason Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #62

Jason
Richmond seemed to have done their homework on how to disrupt the Adelaide game plan a bit better than Adelaide did on how to disrupt the Richmond one.

In fact, Adelaide seemed to have focused on how to deal with 'Dusty's Don't Argue' and not much else.

Richmond shut down the Adelaide drive off half-back and their 45 degree kicks into the corridor - leaving them doing what we seemed to do a lot of this year and last - bombing it inside 50 to outnumbered forwards and hoping for the best. It ended as well for Adelaide as it did for us - badly.

I've never really rated Hardwick as a coach - but he wiped the floor with Pyke on Saturday and Adelaide seemed to have no answers. So I guess credit where credit is due.
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Corporal Agarn Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #63

Corporal Agarn
So J & J injuries aside, why are our skills continuously so poor?

Why isn't our pressure anywhere near as good as the top sides?

Why is our injury count apparently always so high? Don't think injuries stopped GWS or Sydney this year.

Personally I think injuries becomes a convenient excuse. All sides suffer injuries during the year, but if your depth and skill level in your fringe players isn't good enough you're always going to struggle.
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Jason Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #64

Jason
Drubb, please enlighten us to those games this season when we fielded our best 22 and ended up on the receiving end of a shellacking (I.e. Plus 10 goals)?

Sure we dropped off after round 9, but that also coincided with the loss of Sandi & Langdon - two very important players for us in the preceding games, IMHO.

We copped a flogging from Adelaide in Adelaide in Rnd 10 (no orphans there as they beat 8 sides - including the eventual premier- by 9 goals or more at home).

Apart from the Brisvegas game, we didn't lose to a team lower than us on the ladder (as at round 23), beat the eventual premier at home (one of only 2 teams to do so) and lost to the second placed side away by a stray Walter's kick on the siren.

I'm not attempting to paper over some horror performances at the back end of the season when the kids tired and the stars were buggered from carrying the team all year - but that's what happens to teams rebuilding.

We saw glimpses of what Bennell can offer us late, esp in the Essendon game, and I reckon the addition of Wilson to our defence will make a huge difference to our ball movement out of centre-back to use a 'Roly-ism'.

I'm not blindly accepting performances like the Sydeney & Richmond abominations - but unlike other periods in our history when we've been in similar positions - at least the light at the end of the tunnel now isn't a train coming the other way, IMHO.

Should we start next season like we finished this one with no obvious improvement insight - then that would indicate the playing group has stopped listening to the coach. I don't believe that to be the case (doesn't seem to have happened in Roly's 10 year senior coaching career to date), but there's always a first.

My point is, I'll support the club no matter who's the coach, captain, president, CEO, list manager, etc.

Maybe that comes from being a 6th generation Fremantle product and my entire family following Fremantle WAFL teams (sadly, mostly Souf's), but I'll bleed purple until the day I die.

In the meantime, I find it more enjoyable focusing on the positives. If others want to focus on the negatives, that's their prerogative.
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Drubbing Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #65

Drubbing
Don't change the question to suit your own answer. I said we fielded good teams and yet skills were still evidently poor - and that includes the stars of the team. I'm not talking about how many we won and who with.

I don't see these things will get fixed with new younger cattle to shore up the A graders. Since 2014-on, Lyon has shown his approach to coaching to be one dimensional and reactive, and he's even slow to do that.
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Corporal Agarn Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #66

Corporal Agarn
Normally you make good points Jason but Sandi and Langdon being the cause of our drop off, come on.

Sandi is 35 this year and hasn't played a full season for yonks. And Langdon may very well not even be in our best and starting 22. If so he would still be considered as one of our fringe players at this stage.

Walters was a big loss but that was a lot later in the year.

Plus I don't reckon anyone here doesn't support our team and want to see them succeed, but after suffering the biggest fall in AFL history we have a right to be unimpressed and deserve answers from the board and coach. Not excuses from a supposedly no excuses football club.
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Raglan Matt Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #67

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Sandi getting injured was a big positive for us, as it showed that young fellas can come straight into an AFL team and perform.
Walters is our key player for the next 5 years, as he has the skills and leadership to carry the team up the ladder. ( Not necessarily as captain) What does need to change is either the game plan or the playing list. They are not compatible, and will become even more incompatible if we snare Wilson, and especially Hogan.

Forget Matera, he will be 4 or 5 players down the small forward list.
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rogerrocks Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #68

rogerrocks
Langdon is definitely in our best 22. Along with Weller he is one of our young guns.
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Corporal Agarn Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #69

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Langdon came to us in the same draft as Blakely and Weller and although he's showed promise I don't consider him a young gun or at their level yet.

He's played most of his games as a half forward, occasional wing and half back. so going by this year he would have to be in the side before Hill, Hill, Bennell, Blakely, Weller, Ryan, Kersten, Crozier, Hughes, Grey, Tucker.

I'll give you Tucker, but the others all offer something different and the first six are walk up starts. Crozier only missed one game through injury all year, Hughes and Kersten have more height and are better marks. Grey offers more pressure.

Not saying I don't rate him, but don't think he's proven that he is young gun yet. Hopefully a better run next year and he can establish himself.
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Jason Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #70

Jason
Langdon was unlucky not to win the Simpson medal in Peel's flag win last year - accumulating 39 disposals, 8 marks and one of the best running goals I've seen at Subi for sometime.

He has elite speed and skills, is strong over the footy and in marking contests. He picked up a knee injury a bit before the bye and never really recovered.

He would be in my starting back 6 every day of the week.

In fact, I'm quite looking forward to the annual Dockerlander game of pick your starting 22 in 2018 once the draft and trading periods end.

I reckon there is going to be competition for spots (injuries notwithstanding) of the like we haven't seen for some time.
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