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TOPIC: Dare to dream

Drubbing Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #43

Drubbing
Maybe connecting meaningfully with supporters is not done that much in the AFL. Are you going on Hardwick's pressers for messages? They are hardly designed as information portals to supporters.

Forgive me if I'm sceptical and scathing of slogans that promise nothing, and are purely designed to create a fuzzy feeling about nothing in particular. Lyon has a shed full of them.

It doesn't work in politics, and shouldn't have any currency in galvanising supporters.
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Jason Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #44

Jason
Freo was set up to fail - what else can you ascribe to the AFL's recruiting strategy that aimed for us to win zero games in our first year?

We were set up to do nothing other than try and weaken the dominant AFL state's team - The Toilet.

So they probably took a copy of the Richmond how-to-ru(i)n-a-footy-club manual - swapped the cover for a Fremantle one and away they sent us.

We got a politically-connected career public servant and a former Liberal pollie with less footy nous than my dog - installed as our inaugural CEO & President tweedle dumb & tweedle dumber 'team'.

Sorry for the nostalgics on here but that went right through to the initial coaching appointment. It was clear to anyone familiar with the Wet Toast story that until you bring in a experienced VFL coach who knows how to play and win in Victoria (and the MCG, in particular) the best list in he country will not challenge for and win Premierships.

Ron Alexander & John Todd were both successful WAFL coaches - which would have translated well into the VFL in the games were being played at Fremantle Oval, Bassendean Oval, Shark Park, etc. - but of course, they were playing at sh#tholes like Victoria Park, Morrabin & Windy Hill - but didn't cut it at top level. It was only after they brought in Malthouse that they achieved the ultimate success.

So what did the WA Footy Commission and the AFL do, set us up with another successful WAFL coach?! Add that with the worse draft concessions ever foisted upon an entering AFL/VFL side and we were utter sh#te - on and off the field.

We lost money faster and worse than we lost games of footy. And don't talk to me about 'exciting', 'instinctive' game styles. The water polo inspired tactic of moving the ball across the ground and backwards (until we turn it over) still plagues us to this day!!

We won 47 games out of our first 154 - a deficit we are still trying to make up (only 50 wins away from parity - including finals).

Eventually the dam broke and we got a CEO that actually had footy experience and a President that actually loved the club. Shortly thereafter we got a coach that had considerable AFL ass. coach experience with a successful club and we played finals, won a final, got debt free and started to operate as a bonafide AFL club.

Whether you like it or not - the club has never been as successful as the past 6 years. We have played finals in 5 of the last 8 years, and 4 of the past 6. Some want to attribute this success to Harvey, I'm not buying it.

We have drafted well for a considerable period of time and if not for some rotten luck with injuries to high draft picks (Mora, Pitt & Apeness to name a few) I reckon we would have a flag by now.

My point is we are a successful club from a financial, membership, facilities and administrative perspective. We haven't endured scandals like salary cap breaches, entrenched drug cultures (peptides and others), board battles, coaching roundabouts or a myriad of other nasties.

I do not see that changing with the current executive & board set up and as they say, if it ain't broken, don't fix it.

Maybe we won't win our first flag with Ross the Boss - but he is in charge of a rebuild that not only do our players seem to have bought into - but plenty of others who are seeking to join us.

What a bunch of outside, keyboard warriors ultimately think will not change what's happening within the four walls of the club.

So rather than seek to undo a process that I personally think will lead to the ultimate prize - I'm buying into the dream, speed humps and all.
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Drubbing Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #45

Drubbing
Matt Price already already wrote that book. We've all lived it, and read it.

We're talking about now. None of us are naive to think what we say here will change anything. But being sheeple to the corporate message certainly won't propel Fremantle forward either.
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Jason Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #46

Jason
Please explain what this 'corporate message' of which you speak is and the problem with ours?

As a football club (or any professional sporting club for that matter) the only mission is to win premierships and to do that you build a process and environment that works towards that end.

Having players capable of winning is obviously important but based on what I saw on Saturday - the exact type of game plan Rolly had us playing when he arrived triumphed. That is, apply extreme pressure to a more skillful and talented opposition until you completely disrupt their scoring ability.

For all the talk (& changes to rotations, rucking rules, etc) from the AFL about wanting high scoring, free flowing styles of football dominating - all we've ended up with is a slightly higher scoring version of Rollyball.

Seeing how he has mastered that style, it makes sense to me (and I will argue the majority of our members and supporters) to allow him and the club the time to execute his plan and bring us back into contention.

If you're so familiar with the debacles of the past and enduring appalling onfield results year after year - why after 4 consecutive final series, one really bad season (2016) when injuries and retirements cruelled us and a significantly better follow up season in terms of win/loss (notwithstanding some terrible losses) - the sudden angst and haste to pull the plug half way through the rebuilding process?

Just because some Victorian sides using FA and Sydeney with salary cap concessions have avoided traditional rebuilds - the fact is the system is set up for that to happen to all teams at some point.

It makes absolutely no sense unless you have a clear, concise, executable and better alternative ready to go. IMHO, that would have to include a coach of the calibre of Clarkson.

I'm yet to hear one either on here or elsewhere.

Try not to use the - nothing I say matters excuse. If you've got one, please, enlighten us?

Or is it just a case of tear the old structure down (coach, game plan, admin staff like Bond & the Steve's) and hope a better one rises in its place?
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guy smiley Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #47

guy smiley
That's a very long winded way of saying you're a fan.
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shane Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #48

shane
Revisionism aside, what have they done for us lately?
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RideoftheVagaries Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #49

RideoftheVagaries
The main thing I'd take out of Richmond's win is the confirmation that a lot of crazy stuff can happen between now and next year in footy and that the vast majority of predictions are nothing but a conceit.

Also that people's brains quickly erase the gaps and make what has happened inevitable and that their view of things did in fact predict it with some degree of certainty. This phenomenon increases with time.
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Jezza Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #50

Jezza
Jason, you've articulated Freo's existence in a few paragraphs that Pricey would be proud of. Any thought of a rebuttal against the current regime should be parked until the 2018 season when we start getting 100 pt hidings. Trade period are upon us, there's some new blood to don the purple next year. Get your magnets out and start lining them up. Our best 22 would likely more than match the premiers of 2017. Rolyball Mk3, to roll out in 2018.
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shane Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #51

shane
If our best 22 matches the 2017 premiers then I have to ask, why did we finish 14th?
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dddocker Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #52

dddocker
I just looked again at the so called expert predictions in the West prior to the start of the season. All had Richmond around 11 to 14. The Bulldogs last year and Richmond this year give us some hope for 2018 or 2019. Looking at both it would seem that the winning game plan is relentless pressure, strong tackling, some speed and a couple of star players. Work rate wins. Come on RL you know what is required!
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shane Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #53

shane
That's nonsense. Do you reckon the Fremantle players worked less than the Adelaide players? or the Adelaide players worked less than the Richmond players? or if Fremantle had worked harder they would have finished with a premiership.

There's not a secret formula. Better execution wins.
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Jason Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #54

Jason
Having our best 22 on the park has been a challenge for us the past two seasons.

As Rossco pointed out after the Richmond shellacking in Round 22, of the 6 key mids playing in the Round 8 win at the 'G, only one was left standing by Rnd 22.

When you're a rebuilding club relying on skinny, young kids as your 'depth' players - schellackings will happen. Just look at Richmond Round 23, 2016.
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jimb2 Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #55

jimb2
Some of you blokes should stick with the wafl.
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Raglan Matt Dare to dream 6 years 6 months ago #56

Raglan Matt
Yes Shane, and better execution comes from better skills, which come from skills training. ( and better execution means lower work rate, not higher work rate.)
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