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Jezza Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #113

Jezza
I sensed that Aaron Noughton is high on our want list. The name Brander was thrown up and while he acknowledged that the top 5-7 draftees have plenty to offer and glad that we've got Pick 5, perhaps he's decided that Noughton is a better get. Interseting times ahead. Either way I thnik Freo are going to have another great trade and draft period.
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Morgan Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #114

Morgan
The 'Victorian midfielder' drafting preference is overblown.

By my count, in the last 5 drafts we've taken 8 Victorians, 6 Western Australians and a few from Tassie/SA. Given Victoria has double the population of WA, that actually shows a bias towards Western Australian players.

It also looks to me that we've taken about 5 KPPs and 7 midfielders, along with a handful of mid-sized players, smalls and ruckmen. Given there's only a few genuine KPPs on the field at any given time, and up to a dozen midfielders, that suggests a bias towards drafting KPPs.

Out of curiosity, what percentage of players drafted should come from WA?

Our approach seems to be to draft players from a mix of states, but very rarely do we seem to take players from Melbourne, who at least anecdotally seem to be the ones who want to go home, and have the most options to get there once they've made that decision.

Perhaps it's ascribing too much credit to Bond, but wouldn't choosing players less likely to go home, then getting talented WA guys at a discount wanting to come home seem like a decent strategy to maximise talent in a squad?
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R.Lyon Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #115

R.Lyon
I don't know if he's putting his name up for trade or it's the club but after 4 knee reconstructions and the club stinking with him through that I'd be pissed if one of our players wanted to leave just when he got his knee right
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purple kit Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #116

purple kit
They offered him a one year deal, his manager obviously doesn't want to have to work again next year so is looking for a longer contract somewhere else.
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snoop Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #117

snoop
"The Dockers hold pick No.5 at November's NAB AFL Draft, and Lloyd said the club was pleased with the talent available at the top end of this year's pool.

"We've got a group in there that we're happy with. It's a pretty even five or seven, so we're really happy to sit in there at pick five," he said."

Welcome to Fremantle Jarrod Brander.
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Raglan Matt Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #118

Raglan Matt
Yeah, Morgan, that is a pretty good summary of where we are and what we are doing in the drafting. Only trouble is, it explodes a few well loved myths in the process. Get your helmet and flak jacket, you will need them. If the media took those stats on board, they would have nothing left to say about Freo.

We lose very few players to "want to go home" syndrome, and over the last 10 or so years, have not let too many good' ns escape. I'm not convinced Menegola is as good as the West want to believe he is either, his good performances for the Cats have been on the back of a dominant team performance, when they are getting beaten, he is not showing up as one of their best.
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Davo Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #119

Davo
Well obviously. Like with most of his team mates.
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R.Lyon Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #120

R.Lyon
Purple kit I think he should take that 1 year deal. Pay the club back a little
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purple kit Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #121

purple kit
I agree Roly, that's why I am indicating that the driving force is the manager and not the player.
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purple kit Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #122

purple kit
Morgan,
The "Victorian midfielder" started in 2010 (first year post Phil Smart) in which we drafted 3 Vic players. (Pitt, Michie & Mellington), followed by 2011 in which our first two picks were Sheridan & Crozier (both from Vic)

By excluding those 2 years from your analysis you have skewed the statistics to your argument that its over blown.
if we look at the last 7 years, back to the 2010 draft, we have made 26 national draft selections. Breakdown is as follows:
Mids: 12 (Pitt, Michie, Sheridan, Neale, Sutcliff, Simpson, Weller, Blakely, Langdon, Deluca, Tucker, Balic)
Defenders: 7 (Forster, Smith, Pearce, Collins, Logue, Cox, Ryan)
Forwards: 6 (Mellington, Crozier, Duffy, Apeness, Grey, Yarran)
Ruck: 1 (Darcy)

Vic: 13
WA: 6
SA: 4
Tas: 2
Qld: 1

You can see clearly how the perception that our recruiters target Vic & Mids is arrived.

If we exclude last year when we made a concerted effort to target key position players as they finally realised this as a deficiency the figures are, of 22 selections 2010-15
Midfielders: 12
Defenders: 4
Forwards: 6
Ruck: 0

Vic: 11
WA: 5
SA: 3
Tas: 2
Qld: 1

If we go further into where the picks took place, our first picks for 2010-2015 were as follows:
Mids: 5 (3xVic, WA, Qld)
Def: 0
Fwd: 1 (Vic)
Ruck: 0

our second picks in the same period:
Mid: 3 (2xVic, WA)
Def: 2 (Vic, Tas)
Fwd: 1 (Vic)

So Combining of our first 2 picks over a 6 year period 2010-2015 looks like this:
Mids: 8 (5xVic, 2xWA, Qld)
Def: 2 (Vic, Tas)
Fwd: 2 (Vic)
Ruck: 0

If 8 of 12 selections are Vic & or Mids, you can see why some on dockerland express this opinion.

Thankfully last year our list managers seemed to finally realise that we needed a spine to go with those midfielders.

what the analysis shows though is that in the last 7 years we have drafted only one Key position forward (Apeness).
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Gumnut Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #123

Gumnut
Brander and Naughton definitely seem like our best picks for key position player but I think we will not be picking a big bodied Victorian midfielder early with Jake Patmore from Claremont a definite likely pickup if we do go down the midfield track. Brad Lloyd interviewed on Footy WA a couple of weeks back made mention that they had been out to his place and shown an early interest. Going at about 30 disposals a game and a really good ball user in the colts. Also our "äcademy" player Jason Carter not to be forgotten as a priority pick.
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walba Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #124

walba
Strange logic Morgan. Players don't come cheaper than in the draft. So why allow good talent to go east in the hope of trading them back at a price in three or four years time ? Also, how many A graders actually want to return ?
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timmeh Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #125

timmeh
The thing about drafting WA players really comes down to what pick you have and what WA players are around that pick.

With pick 5, if they don't rate noughton in the top 5 players in the country, why would you burn a top 5 pick on him just because he is from WA?

Since 1999, WA has won the u18s 3 times, SA twice Vic Country 4 times and metro 10 times. It seams only logical for a state to pick up 14 of the last 19 championships a lot of the draft talent will come from victoria. Interestingly enough, WA has produced quite a number of larke medalists
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pollyanna Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #126

pollyanna
Simple question: does a draft pick from Tassie equal one, one and a half or two players? Maybe genetics don't come into it, just wondering.
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