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TOPIC: The bye

hypen The bye 6 years 7 months ago #1

hypen
I think it lends itself to a more meaningful finals series, I can mount serious cases for Essendon or Sydney to make the grand final because of the opportunity the bye gives them to freshen up.

In listening to the expert commentary on AFL 360 last night - it was about the top four clubs being disadvantaged and somehow their earned rights having been diminished. If you don't think a team from outside the top four should have a right to be there at the end then why not just have a top 4?

The top four teams get the double chance and that's a huge thing; I like the fact the final series will be decided on football ability and not cause a team "was out on their feet".

I think I am in the minority again though.
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expat The bye 6 years 7 months ago #2

expat
Yeah, what a load of crock old man Mick Mullhouse was smoking about... "boohoo the top 4 are disadvantaged now"

www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/prefinals...four-says-afl-greats

Now that the bye seems to have evened up the competition in the finals series, so SURELY that is good for the game?
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shane The bye 6 years 7 months ago #3

shane
I don't see how it evens anything up. It should just raise the standard of the football. You still get all the advantages of a top 4 finish and all the disadvantages of a second 4 finish. Even if you feel the week off is diminished, you get the home finals.

What a lot of people don't appreciate is that what the Western Bulldogs did last year was extraordinary. They played 4 weeks of magnificent football, against the odds each week. If the week off let them do it then the week off is a good thing.
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jimb2 The bye 6 years 7 months ago #4

jimb2
Captain Logic is not steering that particular tugboat.
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demo1 The bye 6 years 7 months ago #5

demo1
The Bulldogs get credit for 4 weeks of brilliant footy played and so they should.
The reality is they travelled to Perth after a week off where they could freshen up and belted the weags.
Then they got to sleep in their own bed and play a sore Hawks outfit at the MCG 15 mins from their home base.
They then travelled an hour to sydney and would have been back in their own beds that night.
After that they got to sleep in their own beds again and played a higher ranked team who were unable to sleep in their own beds.
The Weags and Freo would never be able to travel for 4 weeks and win regardless of the bye.
Its an unfair comp and will never change until GFs can be played elsewhere like the superbowl..
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shane The bye 6 years 7 months ago #6

shane
I'm not sure you're anywhere near reality.
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Morgan The bye 6 years 7 months ago #7

Morgan
As shane points out, the bye before the finals shouldn't really favour one team over another in the first final. It might slightly disadvantage teams than had locked away a top 2 or top 4 spot before the final round, and could have rested players where other teams fighting for a spot couldn't, but that's a little at the margins.

Where it would have an affect is at the prelim final stage, where the lower-placed team has had a rest, then two good hit-outs leading into a prelim (seemingly an optimal preparation), facing a team that has played once in three weeks (potentially a less optimal build-up). Coaches often say players are creatures of habit, so I imagine going from playing weekly to one-on, one-off could have an affect. It's not a fact this favours the lower-placed team, but if the coaches and players suggest it would be a disadvantage to play relatively less footy in September coming off a bye, I don't know people could argue they are wrong.

If all you want is a more even finals one through 8, then I guess handicapping the top 4 teams serves that purpose. But If a premiership season is about giving a trophy to the best performed team over a season, then I think a system that heavily favours the top 4 is ideal.

But I think the Bulldogs were a bit of a red herring. They hit a purple patch heading into the finals the way we did in 2013. The difference is theirs lasted one more game, and they weren't playing they reining premiers on their home ground. I'm not sure how much it had to do with the format.
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shane The bye 6 years 7 months ago #8

shane
The premiership isn't about giving a trophy to the best performed team over a season. It's about giving a trophy to the team who wins the grand final.

You play 22 rounds to qualify for the finals. The advantage you get for qualifying with more vigour than the other teams should be minimal. After all, if you're the best team then you should be able to demonstrate that by winning games of football when you need to.
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Morgan The bye 6 years 7 months ago #9

Morgan
There's a continuum between, say the Premier League where there are no finals, and March Madness College Basketball where the top 64 teams in the country play an elimination tournament until there is a winner.

It's a matter for personal taste how much ultimate success is weighed on the regular season versus the playoffs, but I think the regular season, being played over 6 months and hundreds of games, needs to be more than a glorified pre-season to the one month and handful of games that make up the finals. I consider the AFL does a decent job of rewarding a season's worth of consistency, while still ultimately rewarding teams that time their run for the end of the season.

The pre-finals bye skews that a little. If it's more than a little, and the AFL has inadvertently made it easier for teams 5-8 than 1-4 that's a problem. I don't think that's necessarily the case, but on a sample size of one you can see why the question is being asked.
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expat The bye 6 years 7 months ago #10

expat
The only way to know will be to analyze more data. So if we stick with the bye format for the next 10 years then we should see more consistent results and then decide. It's too premature when all we see is Mick Mullhouse crying for the sake of having something to say.
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shane The bye 6 years 7 months ago #11

shane
There should be one of those internet rules for that. The first person to bring up the Premier League in a discussion about the AFL has to bugger off to England. As a league, the Premier League is a ridiculous waste of time. It's mostly just a bunch of games of soccer that happen for no particular reason.

Adelaide on top won 1 more game than Sydney in 6th How much of an advantage should that get you?
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The_Yeti The bye 6 years 7 months ago #12

The_Yeti
If its something that aggravates Micky Outhouse, then its probably a good thing.

If getting a double chance is insufficient advantage for teams then you would have to question whether they should be there.

Victorian privilege!!!
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guy smiley The bye 6 years 7 months ago #13

guy smiley
Rooney's Maxim?
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zorro The bye 6 years 7 months ago #14

zorro
Hey, I've got a great idea! Why don't the teams that win the qualifying finals play each other in that "second bye" that Mick and the other troglodytes think is so bad for them.

Could be a big charity thing, really exciting to watch...

No? Don't want to do it? Prefer to manage the week off with rehab and no chance of injury or suspension??

Right then. How about everybody get a grip.
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