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TOPIC: Coach

Derby12 Coach 6 years 8 months ago #113

Derby12
Cletus - we aren't tanking.

If we are tanking, why aren't we last? What do we achieve by getting smashed when it won't affect our ladder position? Why make changes after being 0-2 at the start?

I believe we are trying to win.
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shane Coach 6 years 8 months ago #114

shane
I believe we are trying to look busy and hope no one notices we don't know what we're doing.
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cletus Coach 6 years 8 months ago #115

cletus
I know what you are saying Derby12.... but you cant make these things too obvious. Imagine if we just laid down and died for the other 8 games that we won. Questions would be asked.?? ...and not just from a supporter group.

But...you CAN play a certain way (ie without a forward line), you CAN use personnel a certain way ( ie put old blokes in when they are clearly not up to it -or young blokes) , and you CAN spend matches on end not trying to change anything (ie what RoLy has been doing ).

And at the end of the year, everyone just says and thinks "youre hopeless" rather than "you've tanked"!!

Let me believe it....its the only optimism I can cling too!! :))
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Morgan Coach 6 years 8 months ago #116

Morgan
Less than a month ago we took it right up to a listless GWS and beat a lacklustre GC17. I didn't see any evidence that we weren't trying then.

In the last fortnight we've been belted by two pretty good footy teams, and while maybe we weren't trying hard enough, it often looks that way when you're being outclassed.

Perhaps there are explanations for our performance, but I don't think 'trying to lose' is one of them. Suggesting we're tanking lets the players and coaches off the hook.
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Derby12 Coach 6 years 8 months ago #117

Derby12
so you get no development from the players, no movement on a rational structures, for 12 months, and you sacrifice that for the number 5 pick?

Noting that if we had only won 2 or 3 we would have potentially been in line for a priority pick.

If we were tanking then this was the worst attempt at it ever.
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DS Coach 6 years 8 months ago #118

DS
When someone can prove that the player you draft at pick 1 will end up a much better player than the one you draft at pick 7 I will believe tanking is something clubs do. Until then, it remains a convenient straw for some supporters who can't accept that their team is crap to cling to.
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Detox Coach 6 years 8 months ago #119

Detox
I'm not quite sure if Ross Lyon is the man to take us to the promise land but I don't see any real benefit of getting rid of him this year.. Maybe after next year if things aren't looking a bit more rosy, it might be time for a change.. I do remember Bomber Thompson and Alastair Clarkson being under real heat and where lucky not to get the chop on the way to building the 2 powerhouse clubs of the last decade.. I am sort of holding on to that after the effort on the weekend
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hypen Coach 6 years 8 months ago #120

hypen
Here's the thing, a great performance against GWS, a win against Gold Coast and then splat.

Two 104 point losses, this is not a combination of many things. The one thing we agree upon is that something is seriously amiss. According to you guys Ross Lyon has all of a sudden lost his players or thoughts to that effect. And I am saying this is a physical capability to compete thing.

Now that might still be on Lyon's head, thrashing them too hard on the track but you guys are arguing game plan which is just bollocks when you consider the previous eighteen weeks. Gary Lyon agrees with you all.
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Corporal Agarn Coach 6 years 8 months ago #121

Corporal Agarn
Agree with most of that Hypen except that it hasn't just been the last two weeks. Is it now 7 or 8 losses by more than 8 goal? Whatever it is it's by far the worst in the competition.
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hypen Coach 6 years 8 months ago #122

hypen
We've been okay this year, around where we thought. The media driven crisis bubble is being pushed our way, disposable garbage.

This time last year Richmond were in crisis.

Saying losing by 104pts is not a coaching thing doesnt have to be an endorsement of a coach.
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Jezza Coach 6 years 8 months ago #123

Jezza
We're destined to going to the draft with pick 5. I'm probably more interested in who we can get during the trade period. Or does the two 104 points flogging have turned some off. Or do they see what Roly has done to resurrect Bennell's career and will then be thinking, that's the coach I want to play for. Our team is one maybe 2 jigsaw puzzles away from being great again in the next 12-18 months. To dwell on what's happened is energy sapping, let's dwell on what's to come.
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Yossarian Coach 6 years 8 months ago #124

Yossarian
I think we accidentally won at least 6 games, thanks to the incompetence of the opposition.

The Gods have been against us several times. I have listed some examples below as evidence.

- Mundy tries to shank one through for a point after the siren - he totally miscues and it goes through for an unwanted goal. Freo Win.
- Kerstyyn tries to get tackled against North - the idiot kangaroo player falls over and kerstiien is forced to kick a goal out of his backside. Freo win.
- Nyhuis tries to do the right thing as a debutante and play badly, but fails miserably, and somehow his horrendous kick floats over some moron's head for a goal. Freo hit the front.
Then Darcy tries to make amends for Nyhuis's blunder by giving a free kick away to Goldstein - The big Roo shanks it through for a point. Freo win.
- MacCarthy tries an airy but his enormous big toe connects with the bouncing pigskin and a goal is registered. Freo hit the front.
Then Kerstuun kicks an intentional deliberate of bounds on purpose, but Melbourne are too stupid to seize the advantage - Freo win.
- Essendon come to Perth and dominate the start of the match, then suddenly realise that people might suggest they're back on the elephant juice, so they stay in the changerooms after halftime - Freo Win.
- Carlton also have a tremendous start before realising they are, after all Carlton. Freo Win.

Based on those indisputable facts - Freo should have won approximately zero games, and finished last, so yeah we were tanking from the start, and only terrible luck has prevented us from finishing last, and getting our hands on the number one draft pick.
You may pat me on the back later, right now I'm trying to look busy.
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Awake Coach 6 years 8 months ago #125

Awake
Some stats for Roger
Average age: 24 years 3 months
Standard deviation: 3.98 years
And:
Ranked 16th in Kicks Per Game
Ranked 15th in Handballs Per Game
Ranked 17th in Disposals Per Game
Ranked 18th in Points Per Game
Ranked 14th in Tackles Per Game
Ranked 16th in Inside 50s Per Game
Ranked 18th in Goal Assists Per Game
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Morgan Coach 6 years 8 months ago #126

Morgan
Nice to see that tackling is still a strength of our game.
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