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fourthump Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #113

fourthump
Re: GWS - I've got over my Giants hurdle and hope that Matt de Boer is singing the team song after the last game of the year. I've loved what GWS is doing with AFLW, I recently had a long chat with marquee Giants Emma Swanson and Renee Forth and they're loving it too. They are both massive Stephen Coniglio fans and so we talked about the Swans for a while too.
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shane Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #114

shane
There are people who don't like East Fremantle? Are you sure? That's the first I'm hearing of this.
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Bizkit Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #115

Bizkit
Sure, Pav and Elvis were amazing players and why we pushed close to a premiership in spite of RL's game plan. It should not have resulted in us dropping 16 spots from minor premiers.

When you normally make over the top claims regarding things like players debuting and the amount of youth in the side compared to the rest of the competition, my hand itches to type a response but I hold back. However I can't let the crowd numbers go! Jezza, you clearly got those figures from this table, grabbing the overall attendance and taking off the last number to provide a far inflated figure.

In reality last season's average was 31,415 as I said earlier with this season at 32,191. Even in 2015 when we won the minor premiership we had smaller crowds than almost a decade earlier finishing 11th.

2017 - 14th - 32,191
2016 - 16th - 31,415
2015 - 1st - 36,209

Compared with earlier:
2007 - 11th - 37,474
2008 - 14th - 35,877
2009 - 14th - 33,144
2010 - 6th - 37,084

The numbers in no way support your theory about attendances increasing under RL as above and in fact it supports the opposite. Even with the most successful period the club has ever had and a generation of kids growing up supporting the dockers coming into adulthood, people didn't want to come watch and are falling away rapidly. The way we are travelling and with RL at the helm that isn't going to get better any time soon.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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Corporal Agarn Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #116

Corporal Agarn
Pav did play on for another year after Elvis retired.

There's retirements every year at every club, often great players. It's how you prepare for those retirements that matters. And I certainly don't think Apeness is great preparation, which he's shown even when he is fit.

Hawthorn lost Lewis and Sniper Mitchell plus have had Rioli, Birchall, Gibson, Stratton and Frawley out for the majority of the year and they've still been competitive.

Geelong lost multiple All Aust and F & B's in Enright and Bartel last year but it certainly hasn't affected them.
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Jezza Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #117

Jezza
Attendances aside, and there was nothing to be gained by didling the books, just an error on my part, comparing Geelong and more recently Hawthorn losing their elder statesman, that's an unfair comparison. Between them they've won the last 4 maybe 5 premierships in the last 7 years. Scott inherited in 2011, a juggernaut. To date he's done bugger all to be brutally honest. Even with Danger, they won't win one anytime soon. Clarko and the Hawks won't make finals and not likely in the next 2-3 years because there won't be another team like Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis et al. The fact remains we've had a massive turnover in personnel and will continue that this year. I thought 2008, was a rebuild but this is significant. But the signs are already better than '08.
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shane Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #118

shane
4 maybe 5 premierships in the last 7 years?

Oh, come on. You'd back Ross Lyon in if he took June off to go on a Contiki Tour but you throw in the towel on looking up numbers after one minor set back. Show a bit of faith in yourself. Get back out there and count exactly how many.
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Rat Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #119

Rat
A lot of teams have players retire and have injuries , that goes without saying . With that aside we have not done well . AA Luke was gone when ? he is not in the picture . not planning the departures could be part of the problems we have now .
and now 2 young players are going to save everything . Get real .
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purplepower Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #120

purplepower
The only turnover in personnel will be in the players.....can't see any accountability at the top.
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bpurple Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #121

bpurple
Words to this affect from a champs own mouth and someone who knows more about Freo than anyone on this website " Ross Lyon was the best coach I ever had ". Pavs judgment iis good enough for me. Particularly when you take into account he said he basically had to decode and try to explain to the rest of the team Harveys game plan after the weekly team meetings. Yeah, Ross will do.
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pollyanna Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #122

pollyanna
Speaking of Apeness, I had a chat with Michael a couple of weeks back (outside Gate 8 - he was with Matt Uebergang). Great bloke, quietly spoken but as smart as they come. No 'how to handle a supporter if they come up and talk with you' baloney, just a good hearted chat about his knee and the rehab. I don't know if anyone down in Cockburn are considering giving this bloke the chop (or not) but I reckon he'll be the next 'big' thing at the club. He'll get through the rehab and get back to where he should be in no time. I spoke with him for quite a while, he impressed me a lot.

Uebergang is still having little niggling hammy problems - said he was sick of having operations and just wanted to get things right before the summer. Another top bloke, I haven't seen hands that big on a human being since Fyfe when we first drafted him.

Just one of my 'parking lot' talks (if you're interested).
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RideoftheVagaries Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #123

RideoftheVagaries
Funnily enough, WC "crowds" in 2007 finishing tird averaged 40,791. While in 2015, when they finished second, averaged 35,987. Perhaps there were more ex-players running loose on rooves and in carparks kept their fans feeling safer at home? Or perhaps it was the Suns-Giants effect?
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Corporal Agarn Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #124

Corporal Agarn
It's also been interesting listening to Pav pick apart Roly's game plans and give opinions on what could be done during his commentaries.
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Raglan Matt Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #125

Raglan Matt
CA, the Hawks are travelling that well, that they are a game and a half ahead of us.
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maynefan Work rate 6 years 8 months ago #126

maynefan
We seem to be able to get the kids to sign on which means Ross appears to not have lost the players. I think that is a huge plus for him as a coach. I think we need an assistant coach who can complement Ross - read encourage a more free flowing game. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Who would you bring in?
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