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TOPIC: Teams: Us v Them

RideoftheVagaries Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #57

RideoftheVagaries
McGovern looks for clean space to get a clear run at a marking contest, often from the side. You don't necessarily need someone to compete with him for height, but just focussed enough to cut out his clean path to the marking point.
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walba Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #58

walba
Although Crozier is supposedly a forward, he played his best football last year on the half back line. With his marking he could have become another Dale Kicket. But they seem to have forgotten this and he's given very little as a forward this year. If they won't play him in defence he should be dropped.
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cletus Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #59

cletus
Crozier is a real interesting one Q. ...
Yep, he's struggled to be involved in the last few matches. It'll be the epitaph at the end of his carreer - "Good player, but struggled to get involved".
Yep, when he was in the backline last year, he looked pretty good and managed to be involved a lot of the time, and we made use of the pretty decent skills set that he has.
And yep, the wait has been long for this 2011 draftee. ( Must have been something about that 2011 draft...Sheriden has similar problems, minus the skill set!. )

His main issue is that he is too tall to be a small crumbing forward, especially when your team has 2 of the better ones of those, and he is not tall enough to be a KPP. He's an 'inbetweener', and soe he's the half back flanker/forward flanker/midfielder.

I don't think we've tried him enough as a midfielder over the journey, but then again, he hasn't shown signs of being a tough in and under type player (ala Fyfe, Neale, Mundy), nor does he seems to possess 'a supreme motor' (ala The Hills).

As a backman, the definable position of 'keeping on your man', or 'protecting your zone' is certainly an easier and more achievable job for him, but, When you've got the Blakelys', Hughes', Langdons, Balics', Tuckers' - who are all around his height & weight - how can you justify keeping them out and not developing them, especially when they don't possess the silky skill set that allows Crozier to be considered as a forward.

And there it is! Crozier has 'X factor'. He can jump on top of opponents heads (and, he likes doing that!) And he knows where the goals are ( he likes having a snap!) He has all those attributes that you'd like a half forward flanker to have. Especially when you know have a team full of 185cm young players who seem to have more dour skills, more suitable to defender/ defensive midfielder type roles.

He just misses one crucial element. He doesn't know how to keep himself in the game. He goes missing, or, his opponent's find it very easy to shut him down.

Having said that, when your team plays with either a) no semblance of a forward structure (or 'plan), or, b) a very confusing forward structure at best, its not hard to see how Hayden has trouble getting involved.

I suspect very much he is constrained by team (RoLy's) rules about what he can and can't do, and where he can and can't be. And really what he needs to be down there is a free spirit with licence to roam and 'get involved'

Its either that or he's just bone idle lazy, and as soon as we find another 185cm half forward with sublime forward skills who wants the ball every time it comes within a sniff of the 50m arc (eg Sambono), he'll be moved on.

But for the moment, we've got to live in hope everything suddenly 'clicks' and he becomes a Luke Bruest, or a Stevie J, or a Dustin Martin type 185+cm half forward flanker with skills to die for, and, a player every opposition fears.

Hopefully he can bring a bit of that this weekend.!
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Davo Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #60

Davo
Hamling sore, Pearce injured, Johnson almost finished, Dawson done.

I've said it before, try Taberner in the backline like Harvey did with C. Tarrant. They both seem like very similar players.

At worst he would also be a backup ruck and swingman forward. At best, he could shut down fast leading CHFs or FFs.

Collins does not have the tank to do this and got towelled up by Jack Watts of all players last season. Nyhuis is too valuable as a defensive forward to go back.

Try Tabs against Gunston or Roughead next week and if successful, Cameron and Franklin the weeks after.
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Quiexo Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #61

Quiexo
Didn't we try Tabs down back some time last year? Wasn't he decidedly average?

Agreed with Cletus and others, let him find consistency and dominate in the WAFL for a few games before bringing him back in...still confident he'll be a useful player for us in the long run...
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timmeh Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #62

timmeh
at this rate Nyhuis will be our new CHF, so perhaps crozier might make the shift down back and take on spurrs role when he eventually retires, I reckon he would make a very good small defender.

On another note, lycett is out for them, wellingham into their squad.

Ross confirmed nyhuis would play. guess we will know in 5 minutes who else is in
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Quiexo Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #63

Quiexo
Ins - Mundy and Spurr
Outs - Sheridan and Grey
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rogerrocks Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #64

rogerrocks
A bit disappointing with Gray. Exactly who we need in a Derby. But there is no way his shoulder would have been ok.
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Cannon Fodder Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #65

Cannon Fodder
Are we playing the game 'Where's Cammac'?
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Quiexo Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #66

Quiexo
A. Low in confidence and needs a spell.
B. Serving 2-game suspension.
C. Needs a haircut and a shave.
D. All of the above.
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391 Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #67

391
Nope we are not playing as he is in 2nd week oh his suspension for the head slam tackle

Was harsh I thought --- was basically a really bad push in the back --- no double movement and no real intent to slam his head in to turf. Result of guy being knocked out as opposed to anything too dirty
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FD1016 Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #68

FD1016
Vardy is quite a good athlete and is very capable of stepping up and kicking a couple or taking himself into the back line for a grab or two. Luckily he's rucking on his own which might slow him down a bit. It'll be a big lesson for our man Mr Darcy.
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dddocker Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #69

dddocker
As suggested the bench is Kersten, Logue, Nyhuis and Crozier. All these players can go back or forward.

Crozier I think is like Jeremy Howe (now at Collingwood). Howe is one of the few shining lights for the Pies this season down back. He can fly and grab an intercept mark or spoil and he distributes the ball OK off the backline. I think that's where Crozier should play.
On Kersten - some of his better moments have been in the back line but we need him to come good forward. This is his last go in my view.
Ross has to persist with Nyhuis and Logue. for the rest of the season.
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dddocker Teams: Us v Them 6 years 9 months ago #70

dddocker
FD1016 - I see that Petrie is on the bench. He will play back up to Vardy and be insurance in case Kennedy has fitness problems. That is the only reason Petrie is in I'd say because WCE are about as tall as it gets.
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