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TOPIC: MRP & Freo

Blue1red1 MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #29

Blue1red1
So why does Will S not cop a fine at the very least for hitting a bloke deliberately with an elbow , off the ball? So you cant jumper punch but it is Ok to throw an elbow as long as the hit is not too hard?? There's a good look for the kiddies sigh........
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Morgan MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #30

Morgan
For those who bemoan the rigid codification of offences based on duty of care and consequences, I give you the farce that was Tribunal’s decision on Houli’s hit. It shouldn’t matter if you have the PM as a character witness. If you snot a bloke behind the play and you knock him out, I’m not sure your character should come into it.

Sometimes the classifications aren’t neat (intention/ careless, low/medium impact etc), but at least it provides some boundaries to stop former players looking after blokes they deem ‘good blokes’.
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hypen, Down on down said You Beaut

The_Yeti MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #31

The_Yeti
Being bound by precedent would give a better result in most situations.

Hence, the AFL refuses to be bound by precedent
Egurls Suck!
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DazzElle, Raglan Matt said You Beaut

hypen MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #32

hypen
Is the issue here the quality of the people sitting on the MRP?

I dont think being a player is nearly as important as being able to consistently apply the law, any law.

The are all unqualified past players...great players probably good men....but qualified?
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rogerrocks MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #33

rogerrocks
I have to agree with DBTS, the "shepherding in a marking contest" is one of the worst administered rules. Remember the one against Sandi in the North Melbourne game where he held Goldstein back? The thing was he was still in position to mark if the docker in front didn't - and he would have too. Yet time and again you see blatant shepherding from players not in a position to mark themselves, and it goes unpinged. Very annoying.
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Morgan MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #34

Morgan
I’m with you hypen. I’ve always thought the make-up of the MRP and Tribunal was a bit suspect, as is the idea of a collective decision.

I reckon you’d get a clearer result if you had a three-person panel made up of a former player, someone from head office, and an independent QC. Each could attempt to persuade the other on the merits, but if there is a dissenting voice they just issue their own judgement and short reasons. You might get some split decisions, but at least then the players and public would get a sense for where the line was, and which of the MRP members were being too strict or lenient. You might get a clearer indication of when to appeal.

The subsequent year you could either turf the person who handing down dud decisions or issue a direction that they were interpreting the rules incorrectly. If every decisions was split, then you’d get some indication the existing rules are too confusing or open to interpretation.

It seems the current approach just protects the MRP/Tribunal members under a cloak on anonymity.
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Raglan Matt MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #35

Raglan Matt
They haven't finished writing the 50 pages of red tape that ensures the fines will only be applied in certain circumstances that have to do with using PM's as character references, (the MRP should be sacked immediately for accepting that turnbull is a credible character witness ) degree of force, intent and level of value to the AwFL promotions department. Being a "good bloke" will not come into the application of the extra 20% in fines.
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shane MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #36

shane
The problem is that they system is dodgy so they try and manipulate the grading to get the penalty they want.

If you want it to be administered as intended, you need the three panel members working independently of each other. One does intent, one does impact and one does anything else they need to consider. Then they can't work backwards quite as easily. Otherwise, three doing their own calculations and a consensus reached but all three submitting their judgements. That might guilt them into being objective.

Of course, that's if you want it to be administered as intended.
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Morgan MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #37

Morgan
I think it has to be the second suggestion shane: three members each giving their individual judgments. Sometimes there won't be a need - the decision will speak for all three, but MR panellists should have to put their name to each component, and explain why they differed to their colleagues.




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rogerrocks MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #38

rogerrocks
And the panel members are not allowed to watch the weekend games. When called upon to adjudicate, they will be given footage where all they see are silhouettes of the players, one team green, the other red. They have to decide without knowing who the teams or players are.
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Dockermus MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #39

Dockermus
We'd probably get fairer, more considered tribunal decisions if they wore blindfolds while watching the video replays.
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Morgan MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #40

Morgan
The MRP has been incredibly consistent this season - fines for everyone (except Toby Greene, who's clearly a jerk).

The one time they couldn't wiggle out of handing down a long suspension they squibbed it and sent it to the Tribunal, who in turn squibbed it because they didn't want to get shamed by Waleed Aly on the Project. .
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Corporal Agarn MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #41

Corporal Agarn
And then this new form of tribunal could hold up cards a la diving with a number from 0 upwards as to how many weeks they get.
It's already a bit of a raffle so why not add some real drama.
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Dockermus MRP & Freo 6 years 10 months ago #42

Dockermus
I'd like to propose that the MRP & Tribunal be made up of residents from an aged care home. They could have a quick game of bingo to see who gets to spin the wheel-of-fortune to see what form of punishment will be handed down - anything from $1000 fine to a life ban from all sports.
The beauty of this arrangement would that it was totally random, punishment unrelated to seriousness of the crime, so players who were daft enough to transgress would have no idea.... oh, hang on a minute....
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