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TOPIC: Wasted Effort

Ricco Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #1

Ricco
Can someone explain to me (or possibly to Ross) the difference between our game plan and other successful sides? It seems that since Ross came on board, the game plan is "kick it long to a contest" or "kick it down the line". This is at best a 50/50. It worked well 5-10 years ago when the rules allowed for a more congested game.

We cannot seem to move the ball and find our players up field. Every other team I watch is able to pass it to leading players who in turn pass to other leading players and eventually get it into the 50. This might happen once or twice in a Freo game. Our entries more seem to come from either brute force (i.e. a rolling maul) or a centre break.

I watched Collingwood yesterday move the ball across the field WITH PURPOSE. This isn't the Dockers chip it around or send it to the other side of the field to kick it down the line, but Collingwood were definitely getting the ball free and making use of the switch.

It seems whenever we had the ball, Collingwood had a man on man. Whenever they had the ball, we had a zone which they were able to pick apart.

The other part of it is the entry into the forward 50. Games I've been to live, I've watched the forwards basically stay stationary in the 50 expecting a bomb. There is no movement and therefore the big bomb gets sent in.

I cannot fault Freo's effort yesterday. I thought they were strong at the ball and tried hard all day. However they were outcoached and outplayed.

Help me out here. I know it is a development year, but surely they have to be practicing the game plan they want to implement. Heaven help us if it is "bomb it long".
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rogerrocks Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #2

rogerrocks
I guess when the opposition plays like that we might just have to go man on man. No doubt Roly has a reason he doesn't like doing that. But I think there are times to do it. Just like there are times go go up the other wing.
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cletus Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #3

cletus
But Ricco, you have identified one of our major issues that weve had for all of Roly's years - 2013 included . We waste so much energy shifting the ball, often for absolutely no reward. And if theres a rebound, we are generally that stuffed that any opponent gets a relatively low cost rebound goal.
I'd love a stat that demontrates efficiency to goal, or energy spent getting a goal. It'd give Gerard legitimate cause to bang on about us being 18th in the competition......
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Ricco Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #4

Ricco
I know I'm not paid the millions that Roly is, but I can't for the life of me describe what our game plan is.

Apart from "kick it long to a contest" or "everyone flood the backline". And we could pay the Auskick coach far less to teach the players that.

Our forward forays come from 2 things:
i contest after contest pushing the ball forward with brute effort
ii slingshot counterattacks when they happen

Instead of i, I'd like to see us working the ball forward with leads to space
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exceed Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #5

exceed
I am not sure any game plan can work when you can't hit a target under pressure. I would be happy if we could simply hit a target without pressure.
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goodie Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #6

goodie
Exceed is right. If we tried to do what Collingwood did yesterday how long would you give it before a kick went directly to the opposition? Two or three? The ability to nail a chain of passes for as long as it takes before finding someone within scoring range is not something we are good at. Maybe Ross Lyon knows this. For all I know his game plan was the same as Buckley's but the players can't execute it or don't understand it.
Either way I blame Chris Bond for not checking if a kid could kick before drafting them.
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snoop Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #7

snoop
It happens regularly when we play Richmond and the Roos, happened again against the Pies on Sunday. When the opposition kicks short to leading players we cannot defend. We only get it back if they drop the mark under no pressure.
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Drubbing Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #8

Drubbing
No one complains about Lyon's game plan when we win.

Plenty of games this season they've done exactly what you're all saying they can't do.

I think they're knackered after playing in 2 swim meets. They all played crap, yet only lost by 20. The pies aren't that good, they moved the ball well and could only convert 50% of their shots.
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Corporal Agarn Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #9

Corporal Agarn
If they're so knackered from two wet games would you not take this into account with the training load the following week?
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Drubbing Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #10

Drubbing
How do we know they didn't. Is that what Lyon told the media?
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Flag_2005 Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #11

Flag_2005
Critics of the game plan should go and watch the first 3 quarters of the Richmond game.

We're in a rebuild folks and for the last 2 games haven't had our most important player.
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purplepower Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #12

purplepower
Who are we rebuilding with
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Corporal Agarn Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #13

Corporal Agarn
Bit sad that a guy of Sandi's age is our most important player.

When he was injured last year I'm sure Fyfe was being called our most important player.
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Raglan Matt Wasted Effort 6 years 10 months ago #14

Raglan Matt
I saw a few long down the ground shots on Sunday that showed a completely vacant Pies forward line. I don't think Freo are the only side that floods back in defence.
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