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TOPIC: True?

rogerrocks True? 7 years 11 hours ago #15

rogerrocks
That would be 4.5 free kicks a game at Subi, and break even elsewhere...
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thegeniusthatis True? 7 years 50 minutes ago #16

thegeniusthatis
Just for starters they are 10+ from the weekend.
We'll play Essendon and the game will finish on 17 frees apiece.
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slammen True? 6 years 11 months ago #17

slammen
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The_Yeti True? 6 years 11 months ago #18

The_Yeti
Cletus,

If you don't stop drawing attention to my maths errors, I'll hunt you down and give you a whole bunch of dirty looks....but yeah... :(

They are still cheats but
Egurls Suck!
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The_Yeti True? 6 years 11 months ago #19

The_Yeti
Slammen,

I'm betting the egurls are feeling very hard done by right now, falling behind Carltank on the frees differential ladder. So Carltank are the frees differential April Premiers this year.

The egurls undefeated run run comes to an end.....

I predict a massive round of ducks, head throws and blatant dives all weekend to regain the crown
Egurls Suck!
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Raglan Matt True? 6 years 11 months ago #20

Raglan Matt
And so Yeti that is different from last week and the last 20 years how?? Even Nostradamus coulda predicted that.
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Stoney True? 6 years 11 months ago #21

Stoney
Purple Mao if those stats are true i.e WCE approx 900 Frees For more than Frees Against, then I suggest most of that weight has been carried by Freo as they have a +138 against us the other 760 odd is shared by the others in the comp.

So the recent Melb media about teams not getting a fair rub of the green when they play in Perth gave me the irrits who's highlighting that Freo are the team that has the greatest disadvantage when playing that mob in Perth?

Since we have been in the comp we've played that mob 45 times on 15 occasions we have won the free kick count, once it was equal so 29 times they have had the FF in their favour.
In the 45 games they have had 949 FF and 811 FA so +138 FF.
We've beaten them 20 times and only on 4 of those 20 occasions have we won the FF count.
In the 15 games we've won the FF we are +47 so therefore in the 29 they've won the FF they are +175.

Yes I realise we play them more frequently and the above stats are from 1995 - 2017.
But still something stinks and think we can all agree it's that mob up the road and their mates in lime.
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The_Yeti True? 6 years 11 months ago #22

The_Yeti
Well, yeah, RM.

I may not be Nostradumbass but I'm doing the best I can.

In my own defence, I'm a damn sight more accurate than Margetts will ever be
Egurls Suck!
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zorro True? 6 years 11 months ago #23

zorro
Dig down a little. This season so far, six games, is a very small sample, but already the trend line is there.

A mate (not a Freo supporter) and I track umpiring stats pretty closely - he's got stats-related qualifications – and his view is that getting 56 per cent or more of frees awarded in a game means two things;

i. It's outside the margins of random distribution of frees – something other than chance is at play; and
ii. The uneven distribution of frees becomes a factor - sometimes a determining factor - in the outcome of games.

One reason for that is that, in nearly all cases, a free kick determines the result of a contest; add to that the effect of the new 10-metre exclusion zone that makes the advantage of a mark or free kick far greater than it was previously, and each free kick becomes both a contested possession and, potentially at least, a very effective one.

Our argument is that once the differential in free kicks becomes greater than 56 v 44 per cent (say, for example 26 frees to 20) you are, in effect, adding an extra player to one team.

Now the Eagles this year are running at 55.8 per cent over their six games - in effect, on average, going in with an extra player. That's a little misleading (although instructive) – it's better to say that there was an "extra player" in four of their six games - for the Eagles against St Kilda, Sydney and Freo, for the opposition against Hawthorn.

The most egregious example was the Eagles game against St Kilda where that "extra" player won 15 contested possessions! He was, without doubt, among the best players on the field - never got tired, played at both ends of the ground. If you're looking for a reason why the Saints were finally over-run, look no further than the fact that they were paying against 19 men all day, and the extra man was in great form.

In Freo's six games we have an extra player once, against Geelong (barely), and our opponents have had one twice, against Melbourne and West Coast.
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Mike True? 6 years 11 months ago #24

Mike
Surely it's no great revelation to acknowledge that the Eagles play for free kicks? Whether it comes naturally to them or they are coached that way, they have a team of players who simulate the effect of things like high contact, arms being chopped, etc. Put another way, they cheat. The mystery to me is that it works consistently! Ordinarily you would think that umpires would review their decisions in retrospect, and realise that they are falling for these tactics. The normal response to such a realisation would be a reluctance to pay free kicks in future matches, but that never happens (to West Coast players, that is).

It seems to me either that the umpires do not review their performances, or else that the sport is not real.
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Morgan True? 6 years 11 months ago #25

Morgan
If you keep putting yourself in a position to win a free kick - by the way you duck, or jump forward, or exaggerate contact – not only are you more likely to make any contact noticeable (and win more 50/50 decisions) you are actually more likely to be infringed against. That explains a small number of frees.

So, at home, it’s a perfect storm for West Coast. They have fragile looking midfielders, adept at creating / exaggerating contact, and a baying home crowd. At Subi it works, but I think it costs them when they play away and get fewer kicks. They can’t win the ball for themselves, and their best tactic, asking the ump for help, is nullified.

So although a bloke who attempts to win a free 70% of the time might win a couple of extra free kicks a game, for most possessions he puts himself at a disadvantage.

I’m not sure ‘playing for kicks’ it is replicable for other clubs, and I’m not sure they’d want to replicate it. Freo’s midfield, for example, tend to try and win the ball. They are very good at it. Fyfe is better served shrugging midfielders and handballing than throwing himself to the ground. Neale is better getting a sneaky handball out than contorting himself to dupe and umpire. The outcomes are better for Freo when they play the ball. The same is true for someone like Priddis, but not Shueyey or Masteney or Gaffey. They are boys among men. Their best route to win the contested ball is pity.

At the end of the day, West Coast normally lose the contested possessions. The damage is done in the forward line, and their worst offender there is Darling – who is a spud and can’t win his own ball. Kennedy – their best player – tends to go for the ball. Kennedy will still be playing at 34, Darling might be out of the league in 3 years. His only go these days are free kicks or handballs over the top.

There are some umpires that can’t help but give West Coast free kicks. Three of them umpired the Derby. They are duds, and none of them will umpire finals.

Let West Coast throw their head around. It won’t help them in the long run.
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myboys True? 6 years 11 months ago #26

myboys
Would it be stupid to suggest that umpires do an after the game review and ping players that fake it? Or would that be taking the whole "scrutiny of the game" thing too far?

I mean I know they already do for the MRP but this would only be for fines to be given out and they couldn't be contested.

Surely if it hits their hip pocket constantly the players would have to, literally, pull their heads in?
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