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TOPIC: New game plan?

Purple Eddy New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #43

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It was Cam McCarthy counting the players in position. I noticed this as well. I see in the Herald Sun they are having a shot at Fyfe pretending to stop the play bc Liam went down... pretty sure Clown Baz made that up. Robbo had a crack at Baz talking about man buns in the first quarter instead of concentrating on the scintillating start by Freo. Should have just said he's a bias crab, that would have been better. Last point, did Fyfe make the sign of the cross at a centre bounce? Also written about in the Herald
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ffc369 New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #44

ffc369
He has been doing that for awhile. Even before he was injured
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jimbo62 New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #45

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What i saw on Saturday was the same game plan just carried out with more skill and fluency.
First quarter took advantage of Sandilands presence with first use of the ball and efficient inside fifties.
Think back to the first two games and we lost possesion in the centre before we could move forward.
Second and Third quarters we were pushed back into our defensive fifty for long periods but unlike the previous two games we didn't cough up cheap turnovers under little pressure with no hope of defending.
Then in the last we played much more like we did in the first and took advantage.
Thought every player brought something to the table and deserve the credit for the win, but can't say I saw much in the way of a different game plan, just better execution.
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FDB New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #46

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I'm not sure how anyone could look at the first two rounds and discern any game plan to deviate from.
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Morgan New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #47

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People talk about game plans like they are the concoction of football geniuses executed perfectly by footballers, able to be changed like settings on a TV. I don't think they are nearly as complicated as people make out, and to my mind coaches get way too much credit for them when a team plays well, and way to much scorn when a team plays poorly.

There are a few things coaches can control:
  • Who they pick the play (selection).
  • Where, roughly, those players spend most of their time on the field, and on which players (positioning); and
  • Instructions on how those players are to play (instructions).
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f those, the only thing coaches have complete control is selection. The rest is up to the players to use their skills and decision-making to execute.

Take forward positioning. Forwards have to figure out where to be and when. A coach can say things like ‘get up the ground’, or ‘stay closer to goal’, but generally players need to go where the game takes them. Getting 5 interchangeable players to get that balance correct is pretty difficult.

Even if you give the instruction ‘play-on whenever you can’, or ‘look inside when we win the ball of half-back’, whether that is executed depends on the ability of the players to actually win the all off half-back, whether they have the courage, skill and quick wits to swing the ball inside, whether Freo has players there, and whether the other team is set up to stop that. You’ve got 18 moving parts with human agency and varying abilities. Mess it up a few times (like against Port), and it’s amazing how quickly players will start going back down the safety of the line. Hit the scoreboard a few times (like against Footscray), and you’ll start to get a bit of momentum.

The best coaches can do is try to instil behaviours that mean players instinctively work together, and try and correct imbalances in the 18-part system. Instinct and balance are what make a good game plan, and they don’t change from week-to-week.

I reckon the players just did a better job of playing footy.
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Raglan Matt New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #48

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The essence of a good game plan is one that uses the ability's of the players you have, not the abilitys you wish your players have. That stood out in all 3 games this year, and the game v the Bullies saw us play very much the same, but with better skills, as we did pre season against Collingwood.

Making the likes of Hill bros, Walters, Fyfe, Neale, Langdon, Wleller, Kersten, McCarthy play against their natural instincts is a recipe for disaster as has been shown.

We will see the very best of Stephen Hill if Freo are allowed to continue to play they did in this last game. He is the perfect dual purpose midfielder, with the ability to get it in close, and run off the pack as the situation demands. The rest of the team will be licking their chops at the thought of S Hill at his best.
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rogerrocks New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #49

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I agree with Morgan and RM. Having too rigid a game plan creates that instant of doubt in the players mind. "Do I do what I reckon will work, or do I kick it backwards?" And before you know it, all the options are covered and you are about to be tackled. For good or for ill you have to trust players instincts.

Of course there are exceptions. Stuck deep in defence under heaps of pressure you don't do a half-arsed kick to nowhere that is marked by an attacker 30m out from goal straight in front. No matter how much it seems like the right thing to do at the time.
But I'd keep those exceptions to a minimum.
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Morgan New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #50

Morgan
I’ve seen a few posts to the effect that the creativity or flair has been coached out of Freo players. I’ve never seen any evidence for that. Mickey still plays like Mickey. Johnno still tries to thread the needle through the middle (even when sometimes he shouldn't). S Hill still tries to accelerate around packs. Fyfe still tries to take a hang. D Pearce still tries to hit unhittable targets 60m away. The problem is that we don’t have a lot of players with a skill-set that permits them to play with dash or be creative. I mean, think about it: which creative players have been knocking out the door and left out? In the absence of those players, Lyon defaults to workman-like players. You’re not going to be able to slingshot from the backline with players like Dawson, Ibbo, Spurr and Sutcliffe back there.

We’ve tried to bring a few creative players in: Simpson, Weller, Logue, Bennell, McCarthy and B Hill are all players who have / had shown some genuine flair. So I think it is an area Freo is trying to address. I reckon adding a few more players who can take the game on will help the team no-end, and I don’t think that reflects a change in game plan. We’ve just had a list with more work-horses than thoroughbreds.
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Drubbing New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #51

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First time I've seen Pearce's bombs to nowhere/one or OOB, called flair and creativity. I use other F and C words.

This is the central argument about Lyon's MO. His comfort zone is teaching a system to workmanlike players, and letting the talented ones do what they do.

But the latter can't shine if the former lack even basic skills to do their job. It's clear a player like Dawson cannot be taught skills he doesn't have, or never will. It's too late to bother trying.

I don't think people have been asking for much; just that the less talented players have the basic hand and foot skills. These young players do have that, plus some pace too. That helps a lot, because that can make up for mistakes, and gives the opposition less time to react when things are going our way.
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Morgan New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #52

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D Pearce would take the game on, with varying success. But he had a dip, and Lyon picked him every single week even though he couldn’t help but save his biggest sprays for him. Pearce was unfairly maligned because everyone remembers the bloke who misses the pass into the forward line, but few people remember the guy who was too gutless (or with too limited vision) to take the chance.

Case in point, if you asked 100 Freo fans who was the better kick between McPharlin and Johnno, more than half would probably say McPharlin. Luke was an outstanding player, but he wasn’t a great kick, and would only ever kick 20m sideways or up the line. Johnno will take the game on, but botch it every once and a while. Sure, if you roll the dice back there it might cost you a goal now and then, but if you never take a chance you can’t ever start the transition.

I don’t think it’s a secret that our team has been lacking for some combination of flair, creativity or pace. We whiffed on two first round picks (Mora and Simpson) who had those in spades. They never came up, which meant more game time for players like de Boer and Suban. Perhaps that speaks to Lyon’s mentality, but I’m not sure he had many other selection options.
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Alvin Prpl New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #53

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Even Brady Grey was counting players up forward.
I reckon there was def some kind of instruction as too numbers up forward.
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R.Lyon New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #54

R.Lyon
Recruiting that counting coach really helped
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darthmarto New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #55

darthmarto
You want a five player forward line?

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Raglan Matt New game plan? 7 years 3 weeks ago #56

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It's no good having players with the flair of Fyfe, Walters or the Hills if no one forward of them has the flair to present for them (and vice versa) That's what a restrictive game plan does, and that is why our guns are getting caught with the ball or miskicking/handballing sideways.

The old gameplan came apart because players were not allowed to risk a kick forward, and players were not allowed to camp in the forward line.

On Saturday, the possibility that we might halve or win a contest forward of the play because we had players forward of the play (what a radical concept in a game that has no offside rule!!!) meant that our midfielders and half backs could break the lines with confidence. So many new tactics seem to come from the rugby, hockey and soccer codes, and they fall apart under the ground size and no offside style of footy. Sure they work for a few weeks, until opponents work out that if teammates up the ground turn the ball over it will either get kicked around upfield til we can reorganize, or get booted forward to us defenders who have a 3 or 4 on 1 advantage over the opposition forward.
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