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Corporal Agarn The Game Plan 7 years 1 month ago #1

Corporal Agarn
A lot has been said about how our game plan has not moved with the times and is part of the reason for our terrible recent record....1 win in our last 11 games.
I certainly don't disagree but as I'm not able to get to live games you tend to rely a lot on what you see on tv which doesn't show the whole picture.
The obvious thing thing you do see is the endless criss crossing across the backline which constantly puts us under pressure until it seems obvious to everyone except the coaching panel that a turnover is coming. Other games I watch seem to have someone running from the backline, usually trying to go through the corridor, break lines and give the forwards a chance in space or one on one, whereas we a more than happy to go around the boundary.
The thing you don't see and am wondering if others can comment is what is happening in our forward line while we are stuffing around in the backline. Do we still employ that whole team flood/press where everyone pushes up as far as they can? Other sides don't seem to do this anymore. Better to leave a contest ready in the forward 50.
If this is the case consequently the backline have to do this criss crossing crap because they don't have anyone to kick to because they've all pressed up to at least the centre line and there is no-one free or open to receive the ball so we bomb away to a contest and turnovers usually result.
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Snail The Game Plan 7 years 1 month ago #2

Snail
Take a look at Essendon...... they run in packs and have a team of midfielders. Set KPP's are so yesterday......another good examples where midfielders dominate a list is Carlton, StKilda and Sydney. The real deal is having the playing group believe, trust and buy into the coaching game plan........we are light years away.
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snoop The Game Plan 7 years 1 month ago #3

snoop
The game plan is based on conserving energy.

When we have the ball, most of our players stop and watch the player kicking, wait for him to bomb it forward (plan b) or send it towards the opposition goal (plan a). Plan A then involves shuffling back into the back line to defend after a turnover.
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Noddy The Game Plan 7 years 1 month ago #4

Noddy
In theory, if we hadn't made so many unforced errors in both games, the game plan may have been a winner. I don't subscribe to the bs ...coach needs to teach better skills to guys who have kicked well before.

Crazy idea...Ban all social media for a week, or on the day and see if you can get them focused on the job, which they are paid to do.
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Mushroom The Game Plan 7 years 1 month ago #5

Mushroom
The only game plan is kick near where Fyfe is.

That's all.

There's nothing else.
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Raglan Matt The Game Plan 7 years 1 month ago #6

Raglan Matt
What???
Nothing ??????
Not even "Kick it to Pav" !!!!!!
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Morgan The Game Plan 7 years 1 month ago #7

Morgan
We're winning the clearances, so that part is going ok. Helps that we have the cattle in that part of the field (eg, there would be few better centre squares than Sandi, Fyfe, Neale and Hill).

From there it gets a bit sketchy. Once we get our hands on the ball, it seems like we are under immediate pressure. Two games in I’m not sure if that is a product of exception pressure by the other teams, or sloppy ball use by us. Certainly we’re struggling to find someone in space once we have our hands on the ball.

From there we seem to either hurry a kick forward which gets rebounded, or send a chain of handballs backwards, and then try to pick our way through traffic with our forward players manned up. From that point we seem to lack the skills to kick our way through it (like peak Hawthorn used to), or run our way through it (like peak Geelong used to).

Once we turn it over, our backs are being completely exposed. It’s much easier for the opposition to find space from a turnover than when we win it from a neutral stoppage. We don’t seem to be able to put pressure on the opposition’s players once we turn it over.

So, to me it looks like a few obvious areas of improvement.

I. One, we need to do a better job of transitioning from winning the ball to moving the ball forward. With a couple of Hills in the middle I feel like we should be better than we currently are at this. Bennell would really help here.

II. Two, if we get a hurried kick forward we need to do a better job of making a contest or at least putting pressure on the other team rebounding the ball. Losing Ballas and Mayne really hurts us in this respect. Playing Sandi / Griff forward is unhelpful for this aspect of the game.

III. Three, we need to do a much better job of hitting difficult targets from our backline, or being crazy-brave and run it out. With Johnno a shadow of himself, we just don’t have the players to do this at the moment. Putting Crozier back might help, but even the likely younger replacements (Grey, Hughes) are below average at this part of the game. I just don’t know how we fix this.
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shane The Game Plan 7 years 4 weeks ago #8

shane
I don't see anything inherently wrong with that game plan, Mushroom. I just wish someone would tell Fyfe to be on the lookout for a footy coming his way.
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hooperman The Game Plan 7 years 4 weeks ago #9

hooperman
Just as a general question, has anyone wondered as to how we can dominate the initial ball control at the centre but can't win games? This "purple person" thinks that if you have the best ruckman in the competition, a Brownlow, medalists and two "walk up any club" other players, why is the ball not going our way?
Could I put forward the theory that we had no ruck plan other than Sandy will touch it first. No thunmps to vacant wing areas, no huge spikes towards goal, no 20 metre hits to players already on the move at 45 degrees to the bounce. What do our ruck coaches do for their money? Do we actually have ruck coaches or the fact we have the biggest player we don't need centre square skills? Sorry! I used that skills word
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The_Yeti The Game Plan 7 years 4 weeks ago #10

The_Yeti
It seems to me that our game plan is to win the ball in the centre (we are doing that) then kick it backwards so that one of our backs can turn it over, wait for the inevitable goal then win the next centre clearance.

Unfortunately, we don't have a plan B when the coaches box suddenly realises that being 7 goals down in the first quarter isn't actually a winning position.

Perhaps when Roly realises the skills won't take care of themselves, we could try another game plan. Maybe they could hire a coach of some sort to do that for us.
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pollyanna The Game Plan 7 years 4 weeks ago #11

pollyanna
I get what you're saying Morgan, but it's way too complicated.

Almost all of our problems come from a willingness to use the outside wing - either the opposition force us there, or we just figure it's the way to go. Either way, we're on the outside with only the boundary as an option should things go pear shaped. To the opposition it's just great - they've got the whole of the inside to move the ball through when we can't get the best of a one-on-one. Quick rebound down the shortest yardage in the oval.

If it was a boxing match, we're stuck on the ropes and the other guy is doing an Ali all over the inside.

Game after game after game after game I see it - it's just so pointless, time-consuming, arduous and ultimately soul destroying (for player and supporter alike).
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mackenzie The Game Plan 7 years 4 weeks ago #12

mackenzie
other teams simply man up our players around centre. From here we don't kick to a contest and elect to switch it up by going backwards to try and find a free man.

The opposition then press us back into their forward 50 and inevitably we screw it up.

There was a passage of play where Fyfe had the nuts to kick it correctly to a contest at their 50m arc and we then had free players. This resulted in a goal to Kersten.

Our game plan is so predictable that all teams just give us easy options behind the play and then push us back.

It's shite game play, we haven't changed it in the last 5 years and 17 other coaches have just watched YouTube replay's for homework.

I don't have the solution, but that's what's happening. Ross 'I ain't Changin' gets 1.5m a year to do that.

Maybe he should work on that instead of rehearsing one liners to keep the media at bay.
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Raglan Matt The Game Plan 7 years 4 weeks ago #13

Raglan Matt
The solution is McK for players like Fyfe, to kick the ball forward to a contest. While it is still a contest, and before it becomes a 1 against 5 lost cause. I will back McCarthy, Kersten, Walters, Ballas, the Hills and Griff to beat most players 1 on 1 if the ball is kicked in quick and even only slightly to their advantaged side. Once 3 or 4 opposition players get in there and hold and scrag, not even Maurice Rioli is going to be better than 30/70 successful.

As for Sandi, we know all the opposition have to do is whack his arms or hold him out/down and he wont win the ball. Play him at CHF and get him to whack the ball forward, and a few defenders heads backwards. Play a losing ruckman and shark the opposition clearance. Now that is a radical idea.
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Down on down The Game Plan 7 years 4 weeks ago #14

Down on down
I agree with Polly, our game plan is always down the flanks, very rarely do we play on through the centre and that is where the other teams exploit us. They run though the centre time after time and score at will.

At the game vs Geelong I very rarely saw any clear leads from our forwards, all forward 50 entries consisted of kick and hope and the Geelong defenders just clogged up the 50m arc.

In fairness to the forwards our game plan doesn't allow for them to lead as they are too stuffed from defending, I lost count of the times I saw Cam Mac defending near the 50m arc when Geelong were attacking, and then he was expected to run down to his 50m arc and lead out. That isn't even a game plan, its simply madness.
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