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Drubbing Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #43

Drubbing
the quality of the list has nothing do with it. Any functioning team with Fyfe, Mundy, Walters, Sandilands, Johnson, Ballantyne, Neale in it, could win one of the ugliest minor premierships in memory. The same team give or take key outs, crashed and burned just as quick.

This team is still good enough to be competitive against top 8 sides. Lyon is absolutely to blame for the fact they're not.
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Noddy Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #44

Noddy
We have no big key forwards and when Pav was around we had one, and he wasn't that big in today's terms. While Michael Johnson was a good swing man he's never been strong overhead i.e. contested mark and has often made errors under pressure. Dawson ...enoughs been written.

While 211 is an effect tap ruck man, he also has struggled to take many marks for a player of his size.

I can say these things, a head coach can't.

We overachieved to get into a GF and be my minor premiers....Lyon got us there without having too many AAA graders, and now that iffy list is being found out.
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guy smiley Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #45

guy smiley
Yup, it's all down to poor quality players of course...

the same players that weren't poor quality a couple of years ago but don't you worry about that now because no way is this a product of poor coaching.
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Corporal Agarn Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #46

Corporal Agarn
So that iffy list must show how poor our recruiters are then Noddy.
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Morgan Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #47

Morgan
There's plenty of blame to throw around. Is it the coach, the GM, the fitness staff, the players, the admin? From the outside it's impossible to tell.

So, the question becomes where do you start to turn things around? Do you stay the course, or do you make changes? We've just got a new President, so you can't get rid of him. The CEO probably doesn't affect the football side of things too much, so not sure you have a mandate to turf him (even though it would be great).

To my mind, Bond took a big risk signing Lyon to a 5 year extension. That risk probably hasn't paid off. It's not that Lyon needs to be sacked necessarily (I'd be inclined to give him this season at least), but at some point someone needs to take a serious look at whether Lyon is the right man for the job, and to my mind it can't be the bloke who signed him up for half a decade. For Bond to sack Lyon would be to admit his own failure, so I'm not sure you can rely on him to be objective.

Maybe there was a good reason to sign Lyon up for that length of time, but as Lyon would say footy is a brutal business, and Bond is looking like he is on the wrong side of history here. I reckon you ask him to stick around to assist the transition, and give someone else the keys after round 23.
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walba Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #48

walba
Spot on CA. You can't draft one proven player in seven years (Neale) and expect to be anywhere but stone motherless last. The drafting fiasco has come home to roost. It will take years to recover even with good drafting but will never happen so long as the present strike rate continues. Don't know why all the attention is on Lyon and not the recruiters who gave him the current third rate list.
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Grub Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #49

Grub
Hang on. Towards the end of last season most were happy that we had signed Blakely, Weller and Langdon. The future of our club. Now they are crabs and the recruitment is carp?
There are talented youngsters on our list and some need to be played but when you see the usually reliable senior players dropping off it's a worry.
The team is playing without desire, enjoyment and direction.
Get the Freo back into Freo.
That's down to Lyon, Fyfe and the rest of the support staff. It can't always be the players (or the recruiters) fault.
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rooboucher Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #50

rooboucher
Youve nailed it CA & WALBA. The recruiting over the last 7 years has been disastrous. And correct me if Im wrong but our head recruiter Simon Lloyd s based in Melbourne. Shows where his heart isnt.
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Leed Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #51

Leed
Hey rooboucher. Simon Lloyd has been at Geelong since December 2015. Regardless our recruiting has been poor insofar as we have not recruited key position players rather "the best available" which seem to always be midfielders. As poor as our recruiting has been in that sense let's not forget that the last however many (7-8?) drafts have been adversely affected by the AFL's rabid desire to introduce two new teams at whatever cost to the competition. As Lyon stated in his press conference, he does not have the luxury of 20 first round draft picks running around in the WAFL. The AFL is a floored competition in that regard. Closer to home though Lyon should accept responsibility for the fact that he prefers to play those well past their best to those who have their best in front of them. If he had plums, now is the time to introduce or reintroduce in the case of Crozier and co those players to AFL football and not let them fester away in the WAFL. Then we may know their true measure.
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cletus Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #52

cletus
Agree completely with any of above comments about recruiting, but why pick on only the last 7 years??? The problem goes far far further than that. Yep, we jagged. the Pav/Haselby/maybe-Brown draft, but there is a draft history "littered with traversity" before and after....
For anyone not up to speed -or haven't read - this fine article : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremantle_Football..._and_trading_history
i'd suggest you do so. The only worse experience you could possibly go through is poking your own eyes out with hot needles, ...or...watching the 1st quarter of Saturdays match....
The Trent Croad chapter is particularly enlightening.....
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Noddy Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #53

Noddy
Many including me have been banging on how carp the recruitings been for years and now the chickens have come home to roost.

There's nothing wrong with Blakey, Weller or Langdon....they have the misfortune to be in the FFC and in a period of turmoil. We just haven't been able to get quality big men:

When we were down five goals at qtr time through errors, it was the Dawson Johnson, Ibbo , 211 that had to lead the way out...they didn't. Fyfe, Neale, the Hills, Walters....not enough quality to dig us out of that hole.

Johnson should be leading and setting the example down back....he's not. Not his fault, he's just not a leader. Leaders step up when the heats on.
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snoop Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #54

snoop
I still say it is less about who you recruit, more about how you develop and coach them when they're on the list.

Each club drafts 3-5 of the top 80 young football players in the country each year.

We've seen players on our list deliver great stuff, now they look incompetent.

We have a coaching and development problem.
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Drubbing Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #55

Drubbing
So, we've drafted crap. Yet had a team - the core of which are still there - that almost won a GF and did win a minor prem. As ugly as both those teams played, they were good enough to best most of the comp.

And now, our recruiting is a mess? You blokes really are looking in all the wrong places.

Look at the dogs. How many AFL superstars in that line up? Even lighter on than Freo I reckon.

But what they have is real fire, a mission, self belief, confidence and a coach they love to bits.

THAT is exactly what a coach in the modern game is about. Building a team with a plan and everyone buying into it. Lyon had all that in 2013. He hasn't anymore.
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Noddy Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #56

Noddy
There's accountability in both sides coaching and players. The coach is not without his weaknesses, but I'd like to think we keep the players accountable during game time too.
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