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Docker by the Sea At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #43

Docker by the Sea
I have a plan, lets build a game plan based around water polo.
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Pav353 At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #44

Pav353
Monomark is one more than he gets in his worst weeks , has never marked enough for his size , has always been a problem , He should be going down forward and wreaking havoc, We have a lot of talls who don't clunk enough contested marks , Wish i could get Taberner to clunk them like Picken from the bullies , And he is a much shorter player
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Pav353 At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #45

Pav353
At least Neeshams game plan was better to watch
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charlies tree At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #46

charlies tree
I thought I was in a time warp today and last week.Going back to the 1990's Freo where a club just starting.They had no cash,only a few players of note and no topline coach.No world class facilities and only about 50% of today's support.
I just didn't see enough response after half time when the coaching staff could reorganise the first half rabble.
Take me hat off to Brad Hill.His disposal by foot hasn't been great in the first two games.But does he work his backside off to get to the contest and to run into space and start passages of play.
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purplepower At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #47

purplepower
Coaching Staff ah?? HAHAH
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Morgan At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #48

Morgan
For those who saw the Doig Medal presentation last year, you will recall Lyon teared up when talking about some of the departing Freo players. Lyon cops a bit of stick on this board his 'just passing through' demeanour, but I think that's a bit unfair. There are two sides to every coin, and although it's easy to accuse Lyon and co with not moving on older players quickly enough, think about what that means in human and recruiting terms. It means telling tremendous servants of the club like Michael Johnson and David Mundy that even though they've given their all for the club, they aren't going to give him a chance to show if he's still got it. That's cold man. Real cold. It's hard enough making that call on fringe players like de Boer and Mzungu - the players Lyon cried about - or Barlow who had an opportunity to go to another club and for whom most on here took potshots at the club. Try doing that to champions of the club, knowing they'll never play again.

And for what? The chance to take undrafted players at the back of a rookie draft? It takes time to turn over a list. It seems to me that Lyon gave the old guys one last shot, and they didn't have a shot to fire. His sin, in part, is being too loyal.

Two games in and the writing is on the wall. The club will respond accordingly. The young players will have seen that they gave the old fellas a shot. I think that means more to the fabric of the club than two extra games of young players who aren't ready getting thrashed.
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purplepower At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #49

purplepower
Morgan some time silence is the best answer.
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pollyanna At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #50

pollyanna
Looking at a player change is a pointless ruse.

Look at Port - Hinkley was under extreme pressure last year for not delivering. Many said he would be one of the first coaches to get the sack in 2017. He had a preseason to fix things. which he did, and now Port sit top after two rounds. That's what a good coach is capable of - getting his team up and over the line.

Look at Freo - RoLy had less that half of the wins that Hinkley/Port had in 2016. Getting flogged and looking stupid became the norm for the club. RoLy had the preseason to get things righted - just like Hinkley. Now we've got all our big guys back (Sandi, Fyfe, Johnno), a spanking new multi-million dollar ETAF and we don't even look like a football team.

RoLy's 'strategy' was unpicked about two-thirds through the 2015 season - I assume the other teams just shared the info around. Everyone played us the same way, everyone beat us the same way in 2016 - they all passed us and left us standing in the ditch. Anyone watching the game could see it plain as day against Geelong, same thing (though worse) today against Port. It is structural - our players aren't where they should be, they don't go to where they need to go on the field. Yes, it is structural - and the other teams love the space/freedom it gives them.

RoLy hasn't woken up to the fact that he hasn't delivered any answers - I'm not sure if he's even clued on to the fact that he's actually responsible. Swapping Ibbo and Kirsten in the 4th was as stupid as throwing Johnno forward last week. Even Chris Connelly was smarter than that. That wasn't a response to being almost 100 points behind, it was an act of pure stupidity. I think Chris is available - he's a step up from RoLy, for sure - actually, almost anyone would be (and we all know it).

So back to the question - at what point? - now (in my opinion). Give RoLy the old heave-ho and fight him in court for the next couple of years, get someone new onboard by round 4.
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rogerrocks At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #51

rogerrocks
I'm not going to blame Roly. Because while losing at footy sucks there are lots of decisions a club can make to make it suck less.
Like not getting rid of our unique jumper. Like not getting rid of the only unique bit in our song. Like not moving to Cockburn.
You know what, if you don't mess up all the stuff the fans love, you'll have more bums on seats at Subi, and the umps would do for us what they do for the wiggles - gift us matches.
Its been a several years now since I've been genuinely excited at the footy. And while Roly should cop a bit of the blame for his game style, most of the blame falls on those who have taken the satisfaction and thrill out of being a Freo member.
But maybe i'm just getting old.
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docked At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #52

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Yes, Roger! You are absolutely spot on.

I was thinking today after (actually, during) the game that it was like the bad old days when we were dreadful and everyone else laughed at us. But I realised the bad old days were different. Then we were all united behind our club. We loved it and felt part of it. Anyone dared to gob off about us and we'd be right there, smacking them down.

Now, we've been excluded. We've been told by the powers that be that we're not really important, not welcome. Just shut up and pay our money - that's what they wanted. So now the footy side of things is looking bad, really bad, and I feel distant from it all. I support the players but I don't feel connected to the club. I'm sad with how things are going but I don't feel involved.

What connected me to my crazy, whacky, great to watch in a scary kind of way team has all been stripped away. In its place there's a new jumper, focus on the name Dockers rather than Fremantle, new home AWAY from Fremantle, and now there's even less connection with the club.

The bad old days were horrible, but I'm starting to feel quite nostalgic about them. Or maybe it's just late and I'm feeling sorry for myself
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Placekick At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #53

Placekick
Now we're getting to the heart of it.
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jimb2 At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #54

jimb2
You can be a loyal supporter any time you like. You just have to do it.
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Drubbing At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #55

Drubbing
The admin haven't shown any loyalty to supporters. These things are generally a two way street.

Shouting support to the players from the stands is hardly going to have any effect.
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Corporal Agarn At What Point? 7 years 4 weeks ago #56

Corporal Agarn
You can be loyal but that doesn't mean you have to be happy with what's happening at the moment.
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