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TOPIC: Where to now

hypen Where to now 7 years 1 month ago #29

hypen
Lyon has completely mismanaged Blakely. He hunts the ball and as a result of that he forgets his opponent from time to time. Its something he'll fix as he matures. He is a natural ball winner in the mould of Adrian Fletcher.

But what do they do, find a ridiculous role that he has no idea how to play that leaves him disengaged and his confidence in pieces?

Blakely's plight is instructive of a much bigger problem down at our club.
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Wizard33 Where to now 7 years 1 month ago #30

Wizard33
The only change that's required is the change of head coach (which is not very likely). The players have no spirit, no heart, they're just going through the motions.

He has lost them, simple as that.

In my opinion, when we're 0/6 the board will have no choice to start thinking about a change if they have not started doing so already.

Make all the changes you want but the same 'so called' game plan will be in place. New coach, new invigoration, new and refreshed player attitude.

Would not surprise me in the slightest if a conversation with one P Sumich has not already taken place. Happy to put myself out there to be shot but there is change in the air and personally I welcome it.
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pollyanna Where to now 7 years 1 month ago #31

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I'v been banging on for years, but I still feel the same - if you want a winning strategy and player development you dump RoLy and Bond, collapse the two positions and bring in Choco (on the combined salary of both).

We'll save some face this year, contend in 2018 and win it all in 2019 (by a country mile).
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Noddy Where to now 7 years 4 weeks ago #32

Noddy
Interesting coaching history Choco. Even though he won a GF for Port, according to Wiki-p they lost confidence in him a little while after the Port 2007 record 119 point GF loss. Spin the Chocolate wheel again.
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charlies tree Where to now 7 years 4 weeks ago #33

charlies tree
Anyone like Sanderlands at full forward.Playing about 25m from goal.Will straighten the sides play up trap the ball in the fwd line more.Which helps the side organise the midfield and defence better.Fast ball movement and run and carry has hurt Freo badly so far in17.
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exceed Where to now 7 years 4 weeks ago #34

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Always sounds promising Sandi going in the forward line.
Has been tried countless times and has in the main been spectacularly unsuccessful. Has gone down on occasions and has had the very occasional success for a few moments but never sustained. He simply gets hustled out of the way by defenders( quite surprising given his size), can't take a regular contested mark in the fwd line and is often double teamed. You would think that there is a spare fwd somewhere but alas no.
Given his form over the last 2 games I think he has only taken a mark.
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cletus Where to now 7 years 4 weeks ago #35

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Gotta say Polly, I didnt thnk much of your "Choco idea", when i saw you mention it last week. Have never been much of a fan of his. Bit intense I reckon...
But, have been bouncing the thought around in my head and.... well, .. :

A) Extremely passionate
B) Not afraid to identify and deal with a problem
C) A fire & brimstone bloke - (we need one of those...)
D) has at least won a premiership
E) Apparently a brilliant tactician..(.think he enjoys attacking footy)
F) Doesnt tolerate fools ...(or those who do foolish things)
G) Believes skills are important
H) has the expectation that all his players should kick
F) Is experienced
G) Out of a job

I think you're onto something there.....!!
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charlies tree Where to now 7 years 4 weeks ago #36

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That was my thinking behind Sandi move fwd.To create the loose fwd which could mean a midfielder has to drop back to help the defence.
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Rhufus Where to now 7 years 3 weeks ago #37

Rhufus
Not convinced on the Sandi forward move. Might work with a different game plan when he is just one of say 6 forwards but wont work in our cleared out forward line. We dont have any crumbers as it is.

If you really wanted to try something different you would put Fyfe as Centre Half Forward, McCarthy full forward, drop Sandilands and replace Fyfe in the midfield with Connor Blakely who needs although needing development, is a workhorse who just loves the physical combat and is just languishing in no mans land as a defensive forward, whatever that means. Ok he cant kick like Dustin Martin or Old Man Mitchell but neither can Fyfe. Ive said it before McCarthy, Fyfe, Bennell and Walters is a real forward line that you could actually back to win a whole stack of contests, as long as they actually are in the forward line of course. Fyfes a natural forward. The fact he is a very good midfielder is just clouding the issue.

I love Sandi, one of my all time faves but if you are wanting to try a few things, lets not even have a ruckman, force a midfield rethink. I seriously believe the plan A of Sandi dropping the ball to his feet so our bigger bodied midfielders can muscle our way out of congestion is part of the problem. Sandi through little fault of his own has given our midfielders a cruisy run, has papered over our midfield defects and propped up our poor strategies. For years we had a kick it down the boundary line to Sandi get out of jail card for defenders in the back line under pressure. With that now gone we dont have any plan B.

Sandilands is poorly coached. He has no aggression for one thing. Secondly he could be trained to jump, even 10cms would be good. Also, how hard is it to coach him to go back off his mark quickly, stay on his line so he doesnt get called for play on, and then look for a proper option? At least 50% of the time Sandi panics into an immediate handpass to the first Docker he sees who more often than not gets tackled immediately. When it happens once a year this is the players fault. When it happens for 4 years repeatedly its coaching.

Of course with a normal coach none of this would be necessary, you would have Sandilands belting the ball 30 m out of congestion at bounce downs, we would have a semi permanent forward line of at least 5 players and Sandi and Griff would then be a bit dangerous lurking in a pocket for that SURPRISE long bomb.

Scores of other ways this team could be transformed into something competitive over night. Malthouse had a book of 100 one percenters. The coaching panel needs to get a copy and do some reading.
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Suker Where to now 7 years 3 weeks ago #38

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From the AFL website...for once they make some sense...and something has to give. Rather lose with the young blokes than the excruciating agony of watching our older stalwarts butcher the ball...:
In: Harley Balic, Sam Collins, Hayden Crozier, Ethan Hughes, Griffin Logue, Matt Taberner
Out: Zac Dawson, Jonathon Griffin, Michael Johnson, Danyle Pearce, Nick Suban, Cameron Sutcliffe
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Jason Where to now 7 years 3 weeks ago #39

Jason
It doesn't matter how long he's been away from the club - but Neesham's water polo inspired strategy of moving the ball sideways across half-back until an option opens up forward still seems to be plan A. Back then we would turn it over and we still do the same today.

Having sat through the entire Geelong game but thankfully missed most of the Port game thanks to a Sunday session, we win the clearances but have no outside run or, if we do, we handball it behind the running player and lose the advantage.

Whilst RL is renown for his defensive tactics - we made the 2013 GF and top spot in 2015 through manic pressure on the ball carrier until they turned it over - then quickly moved the ball (usually down the middle) into forward 50. Helped that we had Pav there who could win one-on-ones (or even 2 on 1) or at least bring the ball to ground for our crumbers to feed on. Also had AA Luke to marshal the back line - something I had hoped AA Johnno would take over but he's a shadow of his former self.

This year and last we don't apply the same manic pressure (AFL saw to that by reducing rotations), don't move the ball quickly (forward at least) and our skills have dropped off the ledge and into the abyss. Not sure how previously skillful ball users have lost their ability to hit targets, but they have.

Not sure what the answer is - but if we're going to get belted I'd rather see it with kid's running around and having a real crack.

Also, for all those calling for Ross' head - tell me one quality, successful (over a long period) and available senior coach to take over? Even the Hawthorn coaching factory has produced duds (Bolton) and our history with untried coaches is poor to say the least. Sumich is not at any club - so if he's the answer why hasn't he been given a chance elsewhere (god knows he's applied for every senior vacancy for the past 10 years)?
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SaltyDog Where to now 7 years 3 weeks ago #40

SaltyDog
www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-05/comment-w...xt-with-dire-dockers

Doubt RoLy would go to this extent, but this is the exact side I would go with
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Rhufus Where to now 7 years 3 weeks ago #41

Rhufus
Interesting Salty that that AFL article drops Sutcliffe and doesnt select Sheridan even with about 7 changes!
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Raglan Matt Where to now 7 years 3 weeks ago #42

Raglan Matt
Things went bad for Harvey when he lost an assistant coach in Scott, Lyon lost Kirk and Summa, and things go bad. Maybe we select a senior coach, sift through his ass. coaches for the diamond ready to polish, sack the coach and promote his protégé.
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