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Freakster Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #43

Freakster
Agree. Obviously at trade time their value was nil so the results are a win for all.
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Raglan Matt Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #44

Raglan Matt
Biz I reckon everything we have done in drafting & trading this year has brought us closer to a flag. I wonder at the statement that where they were taken in the draft has no bearing on their value.
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Corporal Agarn Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #45

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Their value at trade time was nil because blind freddy in every recruiting dept knew we didn't want them so they just had to wait and pick them up for nothing, no trading of players or picks required.
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Bizkit Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #46

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I didn't say their only value Morgan was in trading. They had value to us and we should have kept SCOS, Barlow and Dutchy instead of getting nothing in return for them. Ideally when rebuilding you want young kids with loads of talent to craft and evolve into the stars of tomorrow while the old hands hold the fort and help them develop. We got rid of most of the old hands and instead picked up a heap of already developed players that aren't stars (with the possible exception of McCarthy).

In trade terms though I agree they don't have a lot of value although I can see some in Barlow and SCOS in the correct market (a team that's just lost their best 2 mids and need some guidance for their kids in the middle like GC or a team with few if any KPD's like Carlton). We didn't even try to wrestle a pick off them which is a mistake. Kersten had little value either and could have come here for nothing without a contract, I don't see any reason to give the Cats draft picks for an average player not in their best 22 or ours.

RM it certainly does have no bearing on their present value. Jack Watts was taken as a KPF early in the draft and Taylor Walker as a KPF relatively later, does that mean Watts is more valuable?
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timmeh Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #47

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In defence of watts he was drafted into a basket case of a team and now is starting to show some potential. He has also shown versatility playing a number of roles. Taylor walker is just a pure forward.

Scoss and gu are on rookie lists, no guarantee they will get upgraded in the first place.

De boer was described as being a role player and offering leaderdhip, watch him average 20 possessions in the neafl and play perhaps a max of 5 afl games if hes lucky.

Barlow comes with an element of risk depending on how his should recovers. Play him in the right position and he can be valuable to GC. But consider they have drafted some seriously good talent so will depend where their priorities lie.

If we didnt delist or move them on, who else would have been moved on to be able to free up list space for hill hamling kersten mccarthy plus 4 draft picks. Pav retired and mayne went to collingwood, someone else had to go. Popular picks d pearce and dawson have contracts so unless they want to pay them out they are in purple next year
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RideoftheVagaries Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #48

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There's plenty of age still in our list Bizkit.

Morgan does have a fair point on the relative values of Kersten and giving up something for him eases the way onto our list. Also if say we got a number of late 3rd or 4th round picks for those guys, what would we've done with them? Picked up the blokes we picked up in the rookie draft?

I'm not sure it was telecast all that clearly that they were off the list regardless. And it puts the club in a bit of a bind if you want the club to shop around a player, yet not let anyone know that they're not such a required player anymore.
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fourthump Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #49

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Morgan, there's no way Kersten's hair is with more than de Boer's hair.
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Pav353 Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #50

Pav353
Kersten will bring more to the table than you think,I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if he is not in our best 22 by years end , I will proclaim Biz as the guru of dockerland!!
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Corporal Agarn Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #51

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"Barlow comes with an element of risk depending on how his should recovers."

Nothing compared to the element of risk in Bennell. GC got their risk for nothing. Our risk cost plenty.
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Davo Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #52

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Quite a paradox you've highlighted Agarn.

Freo trade 2 picks to GCS for Bennell who is yet to play a game (if ever).

GCS get Barlow for nothing from Freo who could potentially play several years.

I hope Bennell eventually gets on the park because at this point GCS are LTAO.
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Jezza Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #53

Jezza
Trading for Bennell was worth the risk. He's a top end talent and those that thought SPS was something special, well he's got nothing on Harley. Freo have him for another 2 years. He'll get his body right. He's as frustrated as anyone at the club. The Suns should be made accountable for the injuries and it's management of those injuries to players like Bennell, O'Meara, Swallow, Dixon and the man himself, G. Ablett. This is Ablett's 6th season and other than his first season at Gold Coast, he hasn't managed a full season in the last 5. Swallow is another example. As for Harley, I'm glad he's with us because when he returns and it'll be round 1, he'll elevate Freo to another level. Doubt him at your peril.
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Corporal Agarn Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #54

Corporal Agarn
Nobody's doubting his ability, we're beginning to doubt that we'll ever see it. Or at least see it at it's maximum level.
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Bizkit Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #55

Bizkit
I hope you're right Pav but I very much doubt it! That'd mean the likes of Tabs and Apeness aren't getting games if true.
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RideoftheVagaries Barlow, De Boer, Mzungu, Silvagni 7 years 5 months ago #56

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First up we traded two picks (16 & 35) for Bennell and pick 22, so really in effect it was a second round pick for Bennell.

Second risk probably isn't all that relevant when talking about individual players, as it would be spread across all the players within their relative pay band and/or approximate talent level. It's probably evaluated across their potential upside, which would be a combination of talent level, age and possibly team needs.
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