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TOPIC: The Untouchable

shane The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #71

shane
You do an internal review to make sure you're going ok and haven't overlooked anything. When you lose nearly every game for entire season because of self diagnosed negligence, after winning the minor premiership the year before, you get someone in.

It's not about throwing things away it's about understanding what went wrong so you can stop it happening again.
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Drubbing The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #72

Drubbing
Any external review would recommend a change at the top, or at least a different approach, due to lack diligence and poor decision making.

I don't see steves asking someone to come in and tell them how to do their job or resign.

External reviews are for when the powers that be know a system is broken, and something is damaging to the 'brand' overall. The powers that run this game wouldn't even do that at WC. It took a few years of sustained pressure before that even happened at Essendon.

Freo are carp this year. Who else cares?
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shane The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #73

shane
Which is the point, Drubbing. I would have hoped the board of directors.
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Down on down The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #74

Down on down
And thats why Suma has gone. He voiced his displeasure at RL not taking training sessions in the preseason and all of a sudden he is moved sideways as a 'development coach' and frozen out of game day involvement. Good on Suma for calling it like it was and also for walking away. I wish him well.

RL has to take full accountability for what has happened this season. Game 1 vs the Western Bulldogs we were virtually full strength minus Sandi and Harley Bennell and we were made to look decidedly average. We were flogged. RL was caught asleep at the wheel thinking his old style game plan would be sufficient and it clearly wasn't. All the other coaches demonstrated a bit for forward thinking and implemented an attacking brand of footy. What did we do? Practice our skills, and look how poor they have been this year, they have been an embarrasment. People were saying game 1 was was an aberration, but it clearly wasn't because with a very similar team we were beaten by Gold Coast very convincingly at home and from there on the season was lost.

On top of that there has been RL refusal to drop certain players who were out of form. Granted Zac Dawson got a week off early in the season but perrenial under performers like Mayne and D Pearce have been retained all season long, when their form warranted a visit to Peel. It seems he plays favourites and certain players are undroppable. Conversely players stepping up from Peel such as DeBoer or Mzungu get dropped the very next game after a loss and are not afforded the same opportunity to gain confidence by playing a couple of games in a row. I feel for players like Silvagni who gets called up when there is no other option, yet we the fans know what a good contributor and fighter he is and how the side defends better with him in the team, but RL can't seem to see that. Silvagni will be on the outer again when another defender returns from injury, or maybe even gone at seasons end.Just another case of RL playing favourites.

The fact we are only one game ahead of a terrible Brisbane team is a very sad indictment on our club and our coaching staff, especially the head coach. For me he has been flippant with his answers and acceptance of responsibility and the media have been very soft on him. He has a lot to answer for.

Rant over.
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Noddy The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #75

Noddy
We were shaky from about round 9 last year, and who knows how we actually nearly made the GF, my guess is RLs experience got us through. He made a mistake and admitted it, he can't exactly say Hale and Guerra are useless ....if they are, plus THE INJURIES.
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Grub The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #76

Grub
Interesting. Last year Lyon was cute and clever with the media (stuff them - give them nothing - they have never done anything for Freo).
This year he is flippant.
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Drubbing The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #77

Drubbing
shane, Since when has Freo ever appointed anyone to the board who are likely to dissent? Even the embers appointments are mates
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goodie The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #78

goodie
The players have to be held accountable as well. There hasn't been too many that have got better.
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Raglan Matt The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #79

Raglan Matt
Davo I did not say get ex players into the top spots, I called for people who understand footy. They are not the same thing. Some of the top administrators of the past were crap footy players, but they did understand the game. The admin we have got now don't. ( Why did you not include our man Bond in your list of ex players who are crap at admin?)
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pollyanna The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #80

pollyanna
Measuring success with a football club is possibly the easiest thing in the world to do. Therefore, measuring the opposite should be equally simple. I don't buy into the myth that the 22 players fronting up on game day have somehow 'lost their skills' or that some odd psycho-nova swept over them and turned them into a bunch of bumbling retards over the summer. They are, or rather should be, one year more skilful and wiser than they were last year. We've got a good list, no more holes than any other club - if properly developed, we should be the best.

<strong>By instinct</strong> footballers are competitive and offensive minded - they want to win, they know what it takes to win. They plot ways of getting up the ground with their mates and getting more points on the board than their opponents. <strong>By instinct</strong> every one of them has been taking a ball and kicking it at the sticks since they were little tackers. Every genuine footballer knows how to score, some better than others - but they all know how to do it. Instinctively. That goal that Rampe kicked, the goal that Johannisen booted and any number of goals by Betts and Rioli from the last round are examples of what a real footballer wants to do. Kick goals and win. No one wants to bust arse, week in/week out to lose - what a bloody waste to time/talent. We're a win over Port better than Brisbane.

Our problem is a football department problem - it is an organisational problem because the Steves are finding it real difficult to get people to pull out their wallets and front up to a game. It's not a player problem, it's a coaching problem. Someone has convinced the players that they are fumbling imbeciles instead of skilled footballers. Round 1 showed everyone that our structures and game strategy was not good enough - in fact, it was way off in the boonies somewhere (compared with everyone else). As the season progressed - one painful week at a time - it became so one-dimensional that even a child could see through it. Trying harder, and harder, and harder wasn't going to change that. What it did do was turn every one of our players (with a few exceptions) into reactive (and frightened) idiots - even high stat achieving idiots. There was plenty of time to correct things, by Round 8 or 9 I would've thought. But no, if any development was going on it was heading south - like a slow and persistent truck rumbling down the slow lane of a freeway. Once again, our players have been developed into fumbling imbeciles instead of skilled footballers

And, as sure as night follows day, someone is responsible for that.
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The_Yeti The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #81

The_Yeti
And, as sure as night follows day, someone is responsible for that.

Whenever I see a comment like that I think of James Hird and his "How should I know, I'm only the coach"

Shouldn't Roly be taking his lead from Hawthorn and not Essendon?
Egurls Suck!
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mellors The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #82

mellors
I'd like to nominate Down on Down for the Hackdorn. Making Suma seem like a martyr by pulling one fact about him and one statement attributed to 'someone' that may or may not have happened and led to him demonstrating exceptional principals at the cost of him employment was inspired work. I hope your contract at the worst goes well.

As to Suma, over the years I've heard very little positive about him on this forum over the years, but no doubt many of you will now see him departing as a something terrible and symptomatic of everything that's wrong. He didn't provide the answers up forward, so I'm not sure what else he could bring.
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Dockermus The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #83

Dockermus
If we're chucking in nominations for the annual Hackdorn Award, I'd like to offer up Brad Hardie for this piece of fluffy gossip and conjecture:

www.watoday.com.au/afl/fremantle-dockers...20160810-gqp7eh.html
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Raglan Matt The Untouchable 7 years 8 months ago #84

Raglan Matt
Brad's just reading between the lines. It's not his fault someone moved the lines while he wasn't looking.
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