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larkin Roly 7 years 8 months ago #1

larkin
Roly in his presser looked a little shell shocked – with reason. He has a lot of work to do and maybe his toughest job yet as a senior coach. I do believe great players make a good coach as much as a good coach make great team. We certainly went backwards this year – our last year in Fremantle. Its all very sad really. The club has a lot of work to do and there will be big changes ahead.
Sisyphus is now at the bottom of the mountain – taking breath and a dump before the job ahead.
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guy smiley Roly 7 years 8 months ago #2

guy smiley
Greatest coach we've had.

"the left hand's not on the same page"
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hypen Roly 7 years 8 months ago #3

hypen
The whole young guys not being able to physically compete for 4 quarters I get. But the lack of organisation and match conditioning sit squarely with Lyon and Webber.

I am looking for change.
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slammen Roly 7 years 8 months ago #4

slammen
Any chance we can poach Sydney's conditioning staff , they are superbly fit and strong, what ever they are doing we need.

Can we teach the players to stop bombing the ball into the forward line or is that a deliberate thing we are doing to get the number 3 draft pick.
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Matebe Roly 7 years 8 months ago #5

Matebe
I'm thinking Ross is the one who could do with a few weeks going back to Peel Thunder.
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bpurple Roly 7 years 8 months ago #6

bpurple
Next week Sandilands into the ruck with either Griff or Clarke as second ruck. Apeness forward Mayne out he was terrible yesterday. Forward line up should be Ballantyne, Apeness, Yarran at FF with Tabener, Pav and Son Son at HF. Hill on one wing Weller on the other Mundy centre. Johnson, Collins, Ibbotson at half back, with Gray, Silvagni, Spurr at full back. Followers Sandilands, Neale, Blakeley. Bench Langdon, Tucker, Suban and either Clarke, Griff or Hannath.
Instructions - Forwards keep it simple and back yourself in to kick goals, stop looking for the perfect shot via handballing to teammates. If you are open just take the shot. Small forwards crumb, tall forwards contest marks, always ensure there is one tall and one small option no further forward than CHF line that's it.
Backline punch in the contest, on your own is the only time you take marks. If two guys compete in the air we need the same number at ground level. Stop immediately overcommitting numbers to one tackle leaving three opposition players goal side on their own, look for targets coming out of the backline, long down the wings please. Only switch the ball coming out of defence if we have a numbers advantage and players in space. When you switch do it with quick ball movement.
Mids don't get sucked into the forward line, get back to help out the backline and be aware that if the team you are playing start kicking the ball long, the zone does not work, all it does is leave opposition players in space, you must adapt and man up. Otherwise play your natural instinctive game, when we have it attack the goals, when they have it attack them.
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Matebe Roly 7 years 8 months ago #7

Matebe
That all makes perfect sense, until the bit about them being told to play their instinctive game
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jimb2 Roly 7 years 8 months ago #8

jimb2
We were playing our wafl team against potential premiers, who incidentally had something to prove against us. I'm not that surprised.

Try adding Ballantyne, Barlow, Fyfe, Johnson, A Pearce and Sandi and we get more substance. It might not have been enough to win, but certainly enough to avoid that loss.
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pollyanna Roly 7 years 8 months ago #9

pollyanna
When things are going bad in a game, I judge the relevance of a team's coaching staff on the changes they make during the breaks. I sat in the city end with Biz yesterday and saw nothing. When nothing comes from the high-priced strategists (that sit above the field with a view over the whole field) I look to the leaders on the field - the Captain, the experienced players. Yesterday, they just worked harder without effect - Neale calling for the ball for a few 5m give-and-goes did nothing.

Once again, the wide open corridor and the sparsely populated fat side of the ground mystified me - narrow side footy and persistent contests on the boundary simply seemed dumb when you're fielding a single back-up ruckman. Sure, if you pride yourself on forcing a stoppage with the knowledge that you're going to win it is the goal of your team, so be it. But that isn't even close to being a strategy, it's just filling-in-the-time football.

It was simply awful yesterday - the most damning point for me was the ball accumulation stats. We had two players with over 40 disposals, an additional six with over 20. But we were lucky to escape the humiliation of a 100 point loss (barely). Those disposal stats from yesterday said to me that it was a bloody waste of time, a bloody waste of effort, a bloody waste of a hallmark game at home. In every sense of the word, it was a bloody waste of time for everyone involved - our players, our team, all 32k people who sat through it, all the bus/train people ferrying disappointment to/from that wet concrete bunker.

To have a head coach come out and say that the pre-season training couldn't come soon enough really took the cake. Yee-gads, what a mess - we're one week out of a Derby and the guy wants a rest in his air-conditioned office again.
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Ralph Dagg Roly 7 years 8 months ago #10

Ralph Dagg
We could add more players but it won't make Lyon a better coach. You can't keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result. He keeps playing the same core of senior players who are underperforming. Do you drop Blakely who has defensive issues but is performing at his best or Danyle Pearce, Mayne, Sutcliffe et al who are shadows of their former selves.

We can't transition the ball from inside to outside so all our kicks are under pressure. We're carp when the ball hits the deck after a marking contest. Yesterday we had almost no overlap run from defence. And how many inside 50's were just long bombs that gave our forwards no chance. I think Crozier had three in the last quarter alone. And add that the forward line structure is so discombobulated we rarely have a forward at the fall of the ball when we do bomb it in.

These are coaching issues and Roly's just not getting the job done at the moment.
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Raglan Matt Roly 7 years 8 months ago #11

Raglan Matt
It can all be summed up by BP's last sentence.
when we have it attack the goals, when they have it attack them.
Start there then improve.
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bpurple Roly 7 years 8 months ago #12

bpurple
Far be it from me to over simplify the game of Aussie rules you need a plan (A) a plan (B) and probably a plan (C) to fall back on if it starts going wrong on the day. But we have to bare in mind that struggling teams usually add three to four top players to their list and try to snare one elite player as apart of that group. Players are reshuffled to play in positions that better suit them and then hey presto the whole team looks like champions.
We have that many players right now sitting in the stands who will play next year, if you factor in players like Brad Hill and Cam Mac on top of what we already have, then a quick turn around (like the scum from down the road did) is achievable. It only takes four or five quality players to take a team from being ordinary to very good.
EDIT: in my previous post I had Suban on the bench, I would swap him out this week for Morabito, he kicked three on the weekend and was by all accounts moving freely.
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Drubbing Roly 7 years 8 months ago #13

Drubbing
Not that I don't think Lyon has deficiencies and blind spots, but the kick to kick in the back line between Crozier(?) and Collins over and again, under no pressure, till one of them kicked it over the line and provided the swan yet another dip at the goals, isn't something that would have been coached.

Our back line was running scared and zero confidence moving the ball out. We had blokes doing the hot potato hand pass to the bloke about to be tackled. I'd guess that's something Lyon has been trying to coach OUT of them.

It can't be ignored we are playing too many blokes that are only list fillers.
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Mushroom Roly 7 years 8 months ago #14

Mushroom
You don’t build confidence by not coaching players to play as a team and frickin’ get some movement happening to draw the opposition out of their plum jam splat spread so that options can present themselves and a running pop-out to the “fat side” (god, what an ugly term to describe an Aussie Rules play) can be quick and damaging and set up the next link in the running chain.

Nor do you do it by sitting back and thinking how wonderful Luke McPharlin used to be at it so simply expect others to learn it by ESP. Most the dudes in that team don’t have Luke’s midichlorian count. You have to practice it. Practice it in practice. It’s not a state of Zen, it’s something that has to be instructed, worked through bit by bit, carried out for real and practiced in practice, not in some mind-meld session with laser beam squiggly eyes.

I’m damned sure those blokes are not practicing stuff properly and are not learning or trying to learn to do it better. If they are, they’re either incapable of learning or have incompetent teachers.

The fact that not once yesterday did I see a player give off the handpass then put even a fingernail up to shepherd a team mate as he tried to get away from the incoming opponent tells me that the real core of teamwork is not there. And if it hasn’t made the key performance indicator list, then it bloody well should.
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