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hypen The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #1

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For the uninitiated he had a free kick paid against him for deliberately rushing a point. Whilst it was deemed he was under pressure (in fact he was being tackled) the decision was ratified by Mark Evans as correct "given the distance Firrito was from goal" when handballing it through the sticks. He was at the top of the square I reckon.

Why is everyone saying distance from goal has nothing to do with it when it was the Mckenzie soccer from 25 m out that brought this to the boil? We dont want players under pressure lobbing it back through the goals from 35m out to get a set play out of defence do we?

Right call.
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Stacksonthemill The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #2

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Another unnecessary rule introduced in haste by the AFL. Not needed, not wanted, not appreciated, and not improving the game. Should be axed along with deliberate oob. Okay to blatantly punch it over the line in a ruck contest or while spoiling, but kick it 50 metres down the line and then have the ball deviate over the line and it's deliberate. Then, incorrect disposal, don't get me started....
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Jooter The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #3

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That rule really bugs me. If I remember correctly, it was brought in for players who were, say, kicking in, but because they wanted to not be under pressure, they walked the ball over the line to concede a point. Or, in the case of a player who was in the goal square, under no pressure at all, decided to walk the ball over. Sam Mitchell did this a lot. Then, he did it in one of the Hawks' GF appearances and the next thing you know, the AFL deemed it to be a bad look and changed the rules to award a free kick to the player who did this. Now, it's morphed into this thing where if you give up a point if under pressure, you get a free kick awarded against you. In the initial instance, it makes sense, but not the way it's being interpreted now.
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Flag_2005 The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #4

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Wrong call. Firroto was about to be pinged for holding the ball and had the presence of mind to concede a point and not turn the ball over to the opposition when under pressure. He shouldn't be penalised for that.

The rule should be reserved for the obvious situations. The AFL is now so obsessed with keeping the ball in play I'm expecting indoor cricket netting to be erected around the boundary so the ball can never go out.
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Raglan Matt The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #5

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It is just another step to the AwFL introducing the "last to touch the ball before it goes out of play is penalized" rule, to even further take our game away from what we love.
The next rule after that will be the "player who deliberately kicks handballs or throws the ball into an opponent before it goes out of play will be penalized" rule.
Then will follow the "player who deliberately makes it look like an opponent deliberately kicks handballs r throws the ball into said play to draw a free kick will be penalized" rule. And so on.
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Morgan The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #6

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I like the rule. Forward pressure is great to watch, and there's no reason to give the defender an out not available to the rest of the players on the field.

The interpretation against Firitto was a bit more strict than normally applied, so he was a bit unlucky (I reckon maybe the ump was a bit keyed up being the first minute of the game), but there's no doubt about Firitto's intent. He had teammates around him he could have given the ball to, and instead just sought safety over the line.

How many have been paid this season? A handful in 140-odd matches I reckon, with a few obvious ones not paid. It's hardly an epidemic.

I think the deliberate out of bounds is a little over the top at the moment, especially the one where a bloke picks up the ball in traffic and hoofs it forward in hope. Maybe that could be dialled back a bit.

Maybe I'm not watching as many stupid footy shows this season, but it seems to me that there is less chatter about 'the state of the game' this season. Hell, I sat at a Saints v Melbourne game on Sunday which was actually pretty entertaining, so I reckon the rules committee must collectively have done something right.
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shane The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #7

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That's all nice but you've made a change to the way the game is played without discussing it with the rest of us.

The deliberate rushed behind was brought in because Hawthorn exploited a loop hole that allowed them to waste time. If the umpires hadn't been gutless, they would have just pinged Hawthorn for time wasting but now we have a rule for it. It should be adjudicated with it's purpose in mind.

A defender shouldn't be put in a position where he has to deliberately give the opposition an opportunity to kick a goal. Just like forcing players to keep the ball in play because of a hyper deliberate out of bounds rule, it makes a circus of the game. Rushing a behind has always been a part of the game and I think it should remain.
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hypen The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #8

hypen
Where should you be able to rush a behind from? Anywhere on the ground?
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shane The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #9

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I don't see why not.
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rogerrocks The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #10

rogerrocks
I like it when "kick and hope" is paid as deliberate out of bounds. After all, if you didn't want the boundary line you could have kicked it into the middle of the ground.
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Fre_DOh The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #11

Fre_DOh
The original catalyst for the deliberate rushed behind rule was Joel Bowden.

Of course the AFL rewarded him post retirement with a position on the MRP.



(BTW what was the ground staff smoking when they marked the chalk lines that day...150m?).
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myboys The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #12

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Going by today's rules aren't the plays that the above made still legal? I mean, he was under pressure and in the process of being tackled for both those rushed points...
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bpurple The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #13

bpurple
Get rid of the rule its pretty dumb and relies on interpretation and I hate that because that leads to inconsistent decisions.
When I played footy last century the rules were pretty simple, we had two umpires on the field and a couple of chaps on the boundary with two blokes using T-shirts as flags in the goals. The game seemed a lot more fun, the umpires had a lot more respect (I suspect it was because they stuffed up a lot less) and you could even engage in banter with them, they gave as good as they got. Back then some umps even hung around for a beer after the game. I know that the game has moved on, its a professional sport now, its become a business and all the other clichés and reasons you can think of to make changes to something that was not broken. I guess when you have a rules committee being paid god knows how much they need to be seen to be doing something. If they really want a fast free running game why don't they get rid of the blokes on the wings and drop one guy out of the centre from each team. Then they could break the field into three zones. Then only the rucks and mids could play the full length of the field. Forwards could not go past the centre circle and likewise for backmen. Players should only be allowed to run ten steps before having to stop and either kick or handball the footy, that means we would only have to corral not tackle players, the game would be so much safer then.
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shane The Firrito Call 7 years 9 months ago #14

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15.10 FREE KICKS – GENERALLY
15.10.1 When Awarded
A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player or a Team where the field
Umpire is of the opinion that:
(a) the Player is engaging in Time Wasting;


Just throw one of their interpretations at that rule to include rushing behinds.

You'd give Bowden a warning on the first one, which was a bit iffy. No one would complain when you pinged him for the second effort, with or without the previous warning.
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