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TOPIC: How to dominate

rogerrocks How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #1

rogerrocks
So I watch the Tour de France, and Team Sky are dominating. Wout Poels, the main workhorse for Chris Froome gets a flat. He stops and gets a new front wheel from the team car, and then blatantly drafts the team car back up to the peloton. That is illegal. The race organisers might slap him with a time penalty, but they won't disqualify him. So he has no problem. His time is immaterial - he's only there to help Froome.

A couple of years ago, Froome needed food in the last 20km of a mountain stage. Its illegal to get food or drink from the team car in the last 20km, but his team mate at the time, Richie Porte, rode back to the team car and got him some food. Froome recovered to finish well. The race organisers pinged him 20 seconds. But if he hadn't broken the rules, he was stuffed and might have lost 2 minutes.

And this is what teams like Hawthorn do too. Sam Mitchell kneeing Fyfe. Hodge's sling tackles against Sydney. They break the rules, but magically the penalties for doing so are never very much. If I recall correctly, Lake only got 4 weeks for deliberately choking a player until he passed out. And the thing is, if you have Hawthorn's depth, it doesn't matter if you get suspended, as there is Matt Spanger waiting to replace you.

So how do we get to be like Team Sky and Hawthorn? Because I wouldn't mind being the bully boys of the competition, just for a change.
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Drubbing How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #2

Drubbing
It's a matter of perspective. Cycling is organised cheating writ large. The AFL is casual corruption in a fringe sport. The big players get away with the most in either situation.

Freo went the full mongrel with Solly and later, Ballas. Both spent more time watching the game at home, than playing it.
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shane How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #3

shane
The difference between Hawthorn and other teams is that Hawthorn are very good and have won several premierships, so people start concocting conspiracies rather than admit the fact that Hawthorn are out performing everyone else at the moment.

No one cared when Fremantle sent half a team to Tasmania for three years running, then they were in the top 4 and it became an evil conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the game.


And the thing about cycling is...zzzzzzz. Oh, oops. Sorry was someone talking about cycling again.
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RideoftheVagaries How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #4

RideoftheVagaries
The glow from their trophies puts them in a flattering light.

Anytime anything bad happens with the Hawks the general media consensus comes from a place of such gushing frothiness it has its own gravitational pull, so it never pulls too far into the negative tutt-tutting territory they so love to indulge in. It quickly gets drawn back into the gushy orbit and the AFL, being quite an insular world no-one, least of all the fragile, lonely and vulnerable clique of umpires, wants to venture too far against the prevailing mood.

So in short we need to start winning trophies.
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Dockermus How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #5

Dockermus
RofV, the current situation the Brisbane Lambs find themselves in offers a contrasting view to the 'Hawthorn are too good to be criticised' argument.
They could use a friend or two now.
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Davo How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #6

Davo
Back at the turn of the century, Brisbane were doing exactly the same. They loved beating up on people.

The Scott bros, Lynch, Leppisch, Michael, et al. they were all at it.

So there's 2 decades of proof now.

Generally cycling is only exciting with 1km to go each night, the rest of it is a travelogue.
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Raglan Matt How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #7

Raglan Matt
So why aren't Fyfe, Sandi, Suban and co lauded by the media when they stick the boots in or try to run opponents head first into a goalpost?
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Dockermus How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #8

Dockermus
Because they don't play for Hawthorn. But you already knew that. I just wanted to put it in writing. Paraphrasing George Orwell, some footy players are more equal than others...
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Drubbing How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #9

Drubbing
We all know Hawthorn are fairly good.

But wasn't everyone expecting things to change when even those outside WA got all excited about the 2012/3 Dockers being hard at it, and a super pressure side, that smashed its way to a GF?

Then, after that we'd get more of those soft umps calls, and the tummy taps and ones to be going on with would be casually overlooked too, and simply sniggered at by Derm and Co.

When exactly did any of that happen? Anyone reckon it'll come round when there's a cup at ETAF Central?
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Raglan Matt How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #10

Raglan Matt
It was a very very rhetorical question. What is the old saying? "Never ask a difficult question unless you already know the answer"
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diesel How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #11

diesel
Great Segway RR. Are you saying we should thug up.
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rogerrocks How to dominate 7 years 9 months ago #12

rogerrocks
I'd like us to thug up, but only if it makes us win!
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