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Jooter The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #1

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OK, so there was a serious maths conference in Melbourne: Australasian Conference on
MATHEMATICS AND COMPUTERS IN SPORT (11-13 July 2016)
I was thumbing through the proceedings of this conference, and there was an article on the father-son rule.
There’s a couple of take-away messages from this article.
1. the FS rule has clearly benefitted VFL-aligned clubs the most (top 2: Collingwood, Geelong especially)
2. of the nonVFL aligned clubs, the Weagles have the highest level of benefit from this rule.
3. Projecting into the future, the Weagles will continue to have the greatest benefit of nonVFL aligned clubs from this rule, followed by the two Adelaide teams; Freo dead last of all the clubs.
Yes, the authors are serious researchers: they took into account projected paternity rates, eligibility criteria, and a host of other factors.
The paper goes on to discuss the rule itself, pitting the ‘familial tradition’ vs. the way that the FS rule circumvents the draft.
Just another example of how the AFL system is rigged to benefit VFL-based clubs and to grant them some degree of advantage in the competition under guise of romanticism and tradition. Boo, humbug. Get rid of the rule.
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shane The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #2

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Of course, it's the new game plan, the injuries, a lack of confidence, the changing way the game is played and also the system being rigged against us in favour of those Victorian teams, like Collingwood.

It may well favour them but if it's an example of the AFL system being rigged then that would mean that the AFL designed it to favour Victorian clubs, rather than it being a long standing rule that is always going to struggle to deal with the introduction of new clubs.

What are your other examples of the system being rigged. Don't say travel because the maths crowd will turn on you for that one.
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Jooter The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #3

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What, I'm afraid of the maths crowd?
-Travel. Yes, the fixture: we can organise a fixture that equates the total amount of travel across all the clubs, to take into account the fact that there are many clubs based in Melbourne. This simply means that not all teams will play each other the same number of times, but eventually, all teams will travel the same amount over a given period of time. This is how it is in the NFL. Yes, they have conferences, in which all teams are part of and which keeps travel to a minimum, but eventually, teams play other teams outside their conference, and the total amount of travel is equated as part of the fixture over several seasons.
- All teams should play at all venues. The GF should be held at venues other than the MCG.
Another example: draft availability of early (and many) draft picks to GWS, GC, compared to Freo on the establishment of the franchise.
Before this year's GF rule change: an interstate club that draws a GF would have a significantly greater travel burden compared to a VIC-based club.
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Jooter The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #4

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I forgot the 'Buddy arc' rule change whereby deviating off the line in kicking towards goal is permitted because of a player's 'natural kicking arc'. Prior to Buddy, it was 'play on'. After Buddy, it's a 50-metre penalty if you don't allow the kicker's natural arc. If Buddy didn't play for a Melbourne-based club, do you seriously think that this rule change would have been brought in?
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Mushroom The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #5

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lack of Father-Son recruits must be responsible for injuries too.

Interesting that an article clearly showing Fremantle as the hardest hit by injuries can become a story about Collingwood's woes.
www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-14/winners-a...e-2016-injury-ladder
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Jooter The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #6

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The FS rule has nothing to do with anything other than a restriction placed on other clubs in being able to draft certain players deemed to have a familial tie. In the seasons since its inception (1986), Colliingwood has been able to 'use' the rule to isolate 12 picks - 12 picks in 30 years.
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shane The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #7

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It's just a bit of a tradition and they've tightened up the rules so it doesn't corrupt the draft too much any more.

Where does 1986 come from?
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Jooter The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #8

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1986 is the year the FS rule was brought in.
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shane The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #9

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1986 was the year the draft was introduced. The Father Son rule has been around since the 1950's. It wasn't a diabolic scheme to rig the competition against a yet to be thought of football team from Fremantle.
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Raglan Matt The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #10

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Just another example of how Freo can cop it and suffer Mushroom I picked out a couple of statements that seem to show the media bias pretty blatantly.

WHEN Collingwood and North Melbourne assess their respective fortunes at the end of 2016, injuries will play a big role in the off-season post-mortems.
On pure numbers, the Magpies have a case that no team has been hit harder, with more games lost to injury than any other club and an early-season barrage preventing any momentum from forming.
But the timing and nature of the Kangaroos' recent woes has been particularly cruel, with a spate of setbacks playing a key role in their rapid drop from first to eighth on the ladder.


And using the Schick AFL Player Ratings, Champion Data is able to highlight the talent 'cost' of every injury.
The Magpies have not only lost more games to injury this year than any other club, but the 'cost' of those injuries has been higher than every club except Fremantle – the other club with claims as the hardest hit.


When the total cost of every injury this season is added up, Fremantle comes out well ahead of the competition with 431 points.
Collingwood ranks No.2 with 263 points, while Hawthorn (253) and the Brisbane Lions (234) round out the top four after 16 rounds.
Gold Coast is notable for its games lost – ranked No.2 with 126 games – but the talent cost (179 points) has not been as significant. It will likely soar now that Gary Ablett has been ruled out for the final seven rounds.


We wonder why there seems to be an "unconscious bias" by the umpiring and MRP fraternity, maybe the "conscious bias" of the media has a bit to do with it.
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RideoftheVagaries The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #11

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While it may not be there to screw Freo, it shows who they listen to. You do get the impression that if Freo had founded a dynasty with Father-Son picks the AFL would have acted much sooner and with more severity to either remove said advantage or compensate the other/big/Vic clubs.

No doubt there is an advantage to Vic clubs and clubs that have sustained periods of success ( I.e. more players who stay longer and meet the threshold for FS). But I always have mixed feelings about them removing it or reducing it, because it basically means it we are even less or no chance of benefiting from it. Essentially copping it two ways.
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Davo The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #12

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It's not "Father-son" anymore anyway, given we now have men's and women's teams it's "Father-child".

So I say to all 100 game Freo players (Clive included), go forth and multiply.
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Jooter The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #13

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Apologies, yes, 1986 was the beginning of the draft and the paper basically described the influence of the FS rule since the draft was introduced. Which brings me to the conclusion that if it is a national competition, and if you want to not disadvantage new teams without past history, then the FS should have been stopped when the draft was brought in.
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Drubbing The father-son rule and how it screws Freo 7 years 9 months ago #14

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I don't know much about maths, but I'd bet the ethical vacuum at AFL house, the openly corrupt workings of the MRP, biased umpires and their love/hate for certain individuals and clubs as a whole, has more bearing on how some clubs get the poop stick and others get a long suck of the sav.
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