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TOPIC: Simpson

hypen Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #71

hypen
For me its a matter of how unsophisticated clubs are at managing highly talented assets that struggle to conform for socio economic reasons.

And the extreme competitive disadvantages that come with that.
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Flag_2005 Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #72

Flag_2005
"Let's try a different approach Josh. You call us and let us know when you're keen to train and play. In fact, don't worry about training but we do need to submit official team lists by 4pm every Thursday so if you could give us a heads up by 3.30pm each Thursday that'd be appreciated."
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pollyanna Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #73

pollyanna
Walter (and others): quite right, there's no bodies on the street - plenty in the ditch though.

I sat through a lecture once where a famous Eurpoean filmmaker spoke about public funding in the arts. He couched his metaphors simply - speaking about the domestication of pigs and the loss of the true taste of schweinefleisch. He said that centuries of feeding pigs garbage had made their meat taste like garbage - so much so, that ham from a wild boar tasted so unusual it was unrecognisable from what humans normally call 'ham'. What we think of, and call 'ham' now isn't ham at all - feeding garbage and eating garbage has now become an endless cycle.

I lament that when I watch football sometimes, basically because I remember (all too well) the real taste of schweinefleisch. For most of us it's within living memory - the reflexes of Maurice, the brilliance of those two brothers from down Mt Barker way. At Fremantle we were blessed with a steady stream of players that played the game with a flair few other teams could match - pound for pound we had more wild boars on the paddock than anyone else. That's why I love my team, always will (no matter what garbage gets fed me by Docker Control). I hate the idea that real wild boars won't make it into the system to take to the field - I hate all those trays filled with pink slices of something that are wrapped up in plastic lined folded paper that I'm supposed to buy and consume. Equally, I'm haunted by that photo of a kid called Waylon sitting on a bench at Perth airport, all rugged up in the middle of winter without any shoes - waiting for a flight east to take part in some silly television competition that will 'make' a footballer If that is what it takes, we've failed miserably.

Shane is right, everyone loses here - Josh, the WAFL, Freo, the AwFL and all of us.
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Drubbing Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #74

Drubbing
The Pro Simpson argument is all about talent. Talent lost, wasted, unrealised.

Phooey. Talent is overrated. It's certainly needed to succeed, but what actually makes people with talent go places and make a mark, is hard bloody work, persistence and desire. Doing things that are hard, and getting through them. Shaun McManus was short on talent, but long on all the other things.

Simpson apparently doesn't want to do the things that seem like work. He's wasting his own talent. Yet both Lyon's team and E Freo, who have more experience of managing players and indigenous boys than any of us, are both wrong?
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The Spud Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #75

The Spud
Swan Districts didn't turn Michael Walters' life around. Michael Walters turned his own life around Swans may have provided a good environment Etc but ultimately Michael was the one that "pulled his finger out". Anything external is largely BS. It is an internal decision to either do the work or not. While it's not easy, it's not complicated either.
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shane Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #76

shane
Josh Simpson is far from lazy. He travelled thousands of kilometers to play football, when it did work out he went and coached a team in the country to work his way back into the system, then he moved back to Perth to play WAFL with a hope of being drafted.

And all Aboriginal people aren't the same. That's a very iffy comment, Drubbing.

It's as stupid as saying Ross Lyon knows how to coach the Portuguese.
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Flag_2005 Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #77

Flag_2005
Substitute 'lack of commitment' for 'lazy'. The eventual outcome is the same.
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shane Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #78

shane
Which part of leaving his remote home town to coach a country football team to try and get back into the system is under committing?
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Drubbing Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #79

Drubbing
Please don't play the race card shane. I never implied any such thing, and I certainly wasn't thinking along those lines. You could take my comments and insert Colin Sylvia, Jack Anthony or any other AFL wannabe, and they would still be relevant.

You keep coming back to making exceptions for people because of talent. That is a perfect way to build resentment within a team, and fragment it. Pavlich and players of his ilk have earned the right with the club and teammates to be treated differently on occasion. Simpson hadn't.
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shane Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #80

shane
It's not a card. You said Ross Lyon has experience with a particular race of people. As if Josh Simpson is the same as Stephen Hill because they're both 'Indigenous boys'. I wouldn't think even coach Stephen Hill the same way you'd coach Brad Hill.

You don't rate Simpson so you'd give him the arse whether he showed up to the meeting or not. That's your argument. Leave it there.
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Noddy Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #81

Noddy
Playing for Swans would make most see things more clearly.
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Flag_2005 Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #82

Flag_2005
He left his remote home town to go to boarding school as well.

The coaching gig was last year. Here's a crazy idea - maybe he doesn't want it enough and that's fine. I fail to understand why it causes some people to conclude that two clubs have done the wrong thing by him.
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RideoftheVagaries Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #83

RideoftheVagaries
It's often not so much the hard work that's the problem, but understanding why that (particular) hard work is necessary at the time. Particularly when you come from a very different set of experiences and priorities from those determining the type of hard work for you.
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RideoftheVagaries Simpson 7 years 10 months ago #84

RideoftheVagaries
Flag_2005, what those clubs have done with Simpson is not exceptional. I think we can all agree on that.
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